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2013 is the year when IIHF starts a crackdown on (Canada's) "toughness" in juniors

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01-04-2013, 02:56 PM
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2013 is the year when IIHF starts a crackdown on (Canada's) "toughness" in juniors

I am not agreeing with some of the suspensions, but it is clear that IIHF is finally getting it that losing young players to injuries every year should not be tolerated. It is insane that over such a short tournament there are so many unneeded injuries. I hope every federation gets a message. I applaud IIHF, bravo!

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To me, as long as they maintain a reasonable level of consistency, and don't fall into the trap of falling prey to too much fakery, then this is indeed a desirable outcome. And while the officiating has been questioned a lot in this tournament, I think they've overall managed to scrape through (so far!) at providing "a reasonable level of consistency". Still worth some criticism, far from perfect. But at least a step in what could be the right direction. Bottom line is that it is just "kids", and it is just "amateur" hockey, so I think it's right that they impose tougher standards than pro leagues, and it's also not fair for some hockey fans/markets to go in with the expectations of seeing the pro standards they're used to. It's a different game. And should be. It doesn't have to make it less entertaining to watch. But if it does for some, well, that shouldn't sway them from their purpose. Dave Branch takes an awful lot of heat for being progressive on discipline in the OHL too, for example. It's impossible not to find fault with some of his rulings, just like some of these IIHF ones. But there is an overall progression being made that is ultimately beneficial to the young players involved.

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The IIHF is a joke.



The dirtiest play in the entire tournament and nothing.

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The IIHF is a joke.



The dirtiest play in the entire tournament and nothing.
Wow! That was brutal!

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I am not agreeing with some of the suspensions, but it is clear that IIHF is finally getting it that losing young players to injuries every year should not be tolerated. It is insane that over such a short tournament there are so many unneeded injuries. I hope every federation gets a message. I applaud IIHF, bravo!
Of course, you do.

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The IIHF is a joke.



The dirtiest play in the entire tournament and nothing.
When you see things like these unpunished, it really makes you wonder about the competence of IIHF.

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The IIHF is a joke.



The dirtiest play in the entire tournament and nothing.
It's a pretty close tie. I give a slight edge to the Russian on the dirty scale.


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Ah well he didn't lose any chiclets.

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The IIHF is a joke.



The dirtiest play in the entire tournament and nothing.
Don't agree, the hit on Wotherspoon was worse. But in reality exhibit 1 and 1A I guess.

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I am not agreeing with some of the suspensions, but it is clear that IIHF is finally getting it that losing young players to injuries every year should not be tolerated. It is insane that over such a short tournament there are so many unneeded injuries. I hope every federation gets a message. I applaud IIHF, bravo!
I would take you more seriously if your topic title was a little less one sided. After all take a look at some of the non Canadian examples in this tourney.

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I am not agreeing with some of the suspensions, but it is clear that IIHF is finally getting it that losing young players to injuries every year should not be tolerated. It is insane that over such a short tournament there are so many unneeded injuries. I hope every federation gets a message. I applaud IIHF, bravo!
Yeah because only Canada plays dirty right? The IIHF is a joke, the officiating has been subpar at best and their disciplinary system makes the NHL look consistent and fair.

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I call it: "The Yakupov effect".

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The officiating for the most part was surprisingly good in this tournament, at least in Canadian games. I didn't like the 5 minute major call in the Slovak game, but that's about it.

Let's face it, the officiating has never been great for the most part. It has gotten better because if anyone remembers the 1990s and the 2000s it was more or less a penalty from a clean check if it made too much noise and the crowd reacted. More or less if you hit someone hard and he connected with the glass it was a penalty for being too "noisy". Amazingly Canada still racked up their gold medals under this system.

Officiating had nothing to do with Canada losing in 2013 though.

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Yeah because only Canada plays dirty right?
I see, you want me to sugarcoat it. How many players did Russia, Sweden or Finland injure in the last 10 years the same manner Jenner did this year. Was the game even worth it to injure a young kid like that with way late hit. Wasn't it since Clarke's slash an actual tactic to beat the opposition?

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I see, you want me to sugarcoat it. How many players did Russia, Sweden or Finland injure in the last 10 years the same manner Jenner did this year. Was the game even worth it to injure a young kid like that with way late hit. Wasn't it since Clarke's slash an actual tactic to beat the opposition?
I've known you for like 6 years on this forum, and you have the biggest agenda against Canada for some reason. You've never tried to be neutral...

Russia had the two dirtiest plays in the tournament yet you have the nerves to call Canada dirty.

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I see, you want me to sugarcoat it. How many players did Russia, Sweden or Finland injure in the last 10 years the same manner Jenner did this year. Was the game even worth it to injure a young kid like that with way late hit. Wasn't it since Clarke's slash an actual tactic to beat the opposition?
Well, looks to me like a Russian and Swiss just injured two people in the above videos and both in a quite brutal manner. Those were in the last few days, not over the last decade.

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I see, you want me to sugarcoat it. How many players did Russia, Sweden or Finland injure in the last 10 years the same manner Jenner did this year. Was the game even worth it to injure a young kid like that with way late hit. Wasn't it since Clarke's slash an actual tactic to beat the opposition?
Those isolated incidents from 1972 are as poignant in 2013 as they were then... Great example.

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I am not agreeing with some of the suspensions, but it is clear that IIHF is finally getting it that losing young players to injuries every year should not be tolerated. It is insane that over such a short tournament there are so many unneeded injuries. I hope every federation gets a message. I applaud IIHF, bravo!
LOL.

I think it's been a trend for a while now - both sides of The Pond. Whether you like it or not is up to you. I like it.

You have to explain to me though - why Danault's (?) mindless whack was not reviewed (at the end of USA-CAN game) ? There's no way referees missed that.

If you want to go anywhere, you have strip all these excessive retaliations out of the game. Just IMHO, of course.

Call it like you see it or go home.

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Granted Clarke`s slash was terrible but the Russians were far from clean in 72`as well. If you watched the series, there are countless examples of Russians kicking Canadian players in the back of the leg with their skates.

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Granted Clarke`s slash was terrible but the Russians were far from clean in 72`as well. If you watched the series, there are countless examples of Russians kicking Canadian players in the back of the leg with their skates.
and those kicks were the reason Clarke decided to break his leg with two-handed slash right?

Getting back to WJHC I still wonder why IIHF didn't review that knee-on-knee hit made by some Canadian player. I think he made it just because every Canadian is very competitive, especially, in games like 1-5.

Just some statistics. IIHF suspended players for 14 games overall, 8 of those were issued to Canadian players. 57% percents. Yes, you play dirtier than all other nations combined.

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and those kicks were the reason Clarke decided to break his leg with two-handed slash right?

Getting back to WJHC I still wonder why IIHF didn't review that knee-on-knee hit made by some Canadian player. I think he made it just because every Canadian is very competitive, especially, in games like 1-5.

Just some statistics. IIHF suspended players for 14 games overall, 8 of those were issued to Canadian players. 57% percents. Yes, you play dirtier than all other nations combined.
...or you could argue another point, but I won't go there.

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and those kicks were the reason Clarke decided to break his leg with two-handed slash right?

Getting back to WJHC I still wonder why IIHF didn't review that knee-on-knee hit made by some Canadian player. I think he made it just because every Canadian is very competitive, especially, in games like 1-5.

Just some statistics. IIHF suspended players for 14 games overall, 8 of those were issued to Canadian players. 57% percents. Yes, you play dirtier than all other nations combined.
Included are 4 to Reinhart, a total joke, 1 to a Russian for the most dangerous hit of the tournament, and none to a Swiss for cross checking to the head off a faceoff and none to Gibson for a spear on Huberdeau.

Think you have a pretty one sided agenda or perhaps you're just a soccer fan.

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Quite frankly, I've always wondered why the inventors and biggest players of the game are constantly forced to play tournaments under other people's rules and with lower level officials.

I can't be the only one puzzled as to how some of these countries have any say in these tournaments: : Australia, Azerbaijan, China, Chinese Taipei, Great Britain, Hong Kong, Hungary, India, Ireland, Israel, Italy, Japan, North Korea, South Korea, Mexico, Mongolia, New Zealand, Qatar, Romania, South Africa, Spain, Thailand, Turkey, etc.

It's great that they "have a national body dedicated to the sport" but seriously?

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Kids will be kids. The real embarrasment to me were the NHLers on twitter(no names mentioned) who had the "keep your head up" type of comments after some questionable hits. That's where the mentality, and "problem" starts, if you dismiss questionable hits by stating keep your head up every time. Especially those who kids listen to. An illegal hit is an illegal hit.

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The real embarrassment is the national pride some of you have.

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