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C Jack Eichel - Boston University, NCAA (2015 Draft)

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03-13-2014, 09:43 PM
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Its the same thing as seth jones and mackinnon last year, not sure how people dont get it. Maybe it is a bit more obvious if you played hockey before.
such a fail post

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03-14-2014, 11:01 AM
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If we're going to be this silly and arbitrary about 2 months, why don't we go back and see when both players STARTED playing hockey. Maybe that would provide us some insight into who has had more "developmental time".... sheesh. It's absurd. Both of these guys have been playing up in terms of talent their whole lives.

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03-14-2014, 02:19 PM
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Yeah, if that is how school worked. Plus, how awesome is your development if you are the youngest (and presumably smallest) kid in your grade. Welcome to getting beat up. This analogy does not work.
Why not? If you have two kids, one who graduates well after they've turned 18, and another who graduates months prior to their 18th birthday, and they both have the same marks, would you not consider it more impressive that the younger one is performing at the specified level?

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03-14-2014, 02:49 PM
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Why not? If you have two kids, one who graduates well after they've turned 18, and another who graduates months prior to their 18th birthday, and they both have the same marks, would you not consider it more impressive that the younger one is performing at the specified level?
I graduated high school with a classmate who was 11 months older than me. Somehow, I doubt our age was taken into consideration by college admission boards.

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03-14-2014, 04:33 PM
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Looking forward to getting a live viewing of Eichel tonight.

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03-14-2014, 07:09 PM
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Is Eichel getting more hype than Phil Kessel did one year out?

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03-14-2014, 09:34 PM
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I graduated high school with a classmate who was 11 months older than me. Somehow, I doubt our age was taken into consideration by college admission boards.
That's because college admission has different parameters from being drafted into hockey. There are thousands of spots annually, for a sea of students who all fit very similar criteria. College applicants aren't seen as resources upon which the college will be "built", as an NHL prospect is seen by teams; they're people who meet certain minimum requirements and are willing to pay a bunch of money to the institution.

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03-14-2014, 11:06 PM
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That's because college admission has different parameters from being drafted into hockey. There are thousands of spots annually, for a sea of students who all fit very similar criteria. College applicants aren't seen as resources upon which the college will be "built", as an NHL prospect is seen by teams; they're people who meet certain minimum requirements and are willing to pay a bunch of money to the institution.
That has nothing to do with the question that was asked. I used a direct analogy responding to the premise: "If you have two kids, one who graduates well after they've turned 18, and another who graduates months prior to their 18th birthday, and they both have the same marks, would you not consider it more impressive that the younger one is performing at the specified level?"

The answer is, no one gives a ****.

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03-14-2014, 11:11 PM
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That has nothing to do with the question that was asked. I used a direct analogy responding to the premise: "If you have two kids, one who graduates well after they've turned 18, and another who graduates months prior to their 18th birthday, and they both have the same marks, would you not consider it more impressive that the younger one is performing at the specified level?"

The answer is, no one gives a ****.
Exactly, is Warren Buffet's $50+ billion less impressive because there are 17 year olds becoming multi million and billionaires overnight in silicon valley.

The only way I see age being a significant factor in the draft is when there is a 8+ month difference between 2 players.

We should start valuing guys like Bennett, Dal Colle, etc. more because they didn't get the experience of playing in the WJC this year and Reinhart, Draisaitl, and Ekblad did so it will have a bigger impact on Bennett and Dal Colle next year and help there development more next year than Reinhart, Draisaitl and Ekblad.


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04-02-2014, 01:25 PM
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With all due respect to McDavid, it's fun to think about Eichel with Girgenson, Ristolainen, Zadorov and maybe Carrier, Foligno, Deslauiers and Kea, with Nolan behind the bench.

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04-02-2014, 03:52 PM
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Exactly, is Warren Buffet's $50+ billion less impressive because there are 17 year olds becoming multi million and billionaires overnight in silicon valley.

The only way I see age being a significant factor in the draft is when there is a 8+ month difference between 2 players.

We should start valuing guys like Bennett, Dal Colle, etc. more because they didn't get the experience of playing in the WJC this year and Reinhart, Draisaitl, and Ekblad did so it will have a bigger impact on Bennett and Dal Colle next year and help there development more next year than Reinhart, Draisaitl and Ekblad.
Making money is so far removed from mental and physical development it's not even funny. We're talking about hockey players and how far along they are through puberty and how much hockey they've played, not the amount of money someone has made.

@Juxtaposer: You used a direct analogy combined with supposition, so in other words you basically said a big load of nothing. Here, I have an analogy to match yours: "My pappy once seen a bear runnin' real fast - I bet it was as fast as a train."

Welp, there you have it! Conclusive evidence that bears actually run as fast as trains.

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@Juxtaposer: You used a direct analogy combined with supposition, so in other words you basically said a big load of nothing. Here, I have an analogy to match yours: "My pappy once seen a bear runnin' real fast - I bet it was as fast as a train."

Welp, there you have it! Conclusive evidence that bears actually run as fast as trains.
I literally answered the exact question you posed. Literally the exact question you posed. Literally. If you didn't think it was a valid question, then why on earth did you ask it?

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04-03-2014, 10:31 AM
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Is Eichel getting more hype than Phil Kessel did one year out?
I don't think so. When Kessel was a year out from his draft, he was being talked about as a borderline generational talent. He was considered by most to be clearly the best player of his draft year as well.

I know some people have Eichel above McDavid, but I don't think it's a majority opinion, and I think it has less to do with those individuals thinking that Eichel is a generational talent than it does them thinking that McDavid is not. That's the feeling that I get at least.

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With all due respect to McDavid, it's fun to think about Eichel with Girgenson, Ristolainen, Zadorov and maybe Carrier, Foligno, Deslauiers and Kea, with Nolan behind the bench.
Grigorenko, Fasching, McCabe, Ullmark...

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04-03-2014, 12:09 PM
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So...with the Remparts now confirmed to get next year's Memorial Cup I wonder if that will push Eichel towards the Q...assuming he could get traded there.

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With all due respect to McDavid, it's fun to think about Eichel with Girgenson, Ristolainen, Zadorov and maybe Carrier, Foligno, Deslauiers and Kea, with Nolan behind the bench.
Eichel with Girgensens, Bennett , Risto, Zadorov, Compher, Fasching, Deslauiers...I'd feel bad for teams at that point.

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04-03-2014, 05:07 PM
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So...with the Remparts now confirmed to get next year's Memorial Cup I wonder if that will push Eichel towards the Q...assuming he could get traded there.
I don't think Roy would want to give up too much for Eichel, since he probably would only play in the Q for one season before leaving for the NHL. That was the main reason why he didn't try harder to trade for MacKinnon from Baie-Comeau, that he wouldn't have him long enough to justify the price he would pay. However, like you said, Quebec is a much better team now than they were when MacKinnon was drafted into the Q, so I would guess that it is more possible now then back then.

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I don't think Roy would want to give up too much for Eichel, since he probably would only play in the Q for one season before leaving for the NHL. That was the main reason why he didn't try harder to trade for MacKinnon from Baie-Comeau, that he wouldn't have him long enough to justify the price he would pay. However, like you said, Quebec is a much better team now than they were when MacKinnon was drafted into the Q, so I would guess that it is more possible now then back then.
Roy is coaching the Colorado Avalanche.

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Roy is coaching the Colorado Avalanche.
Doesn't he still own the Remparts though? I could have sworn I read somewhere that he does.

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Doesn't he still own the Remparts though? I could have sworn I read somewhere that he does.
I believe he is still an owner

EDIT: according to wikipedia, he is

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04-03-2014, 06:22 PM
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I believe he is still an owner

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Yeah, considering he wanted control over Colorado's player personnel when he signed on with the Avs, I can't imagine him letting Phillippe Boucher make a major move like that without at least consulting him.

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I don't think Roy would want to give up too much for Eichel, since he probably would only play in the Q for one season before leaving for the NHL. That was the main reason why he didn't try harder to trade for MacKinnon from Baie-Comeau, that he wouldn't have him long enough to justify the price he would pay. However, like you said, Quebec is a much better team now than they were when MacKinnon was drafted into the Q, so I would guess that it is more possible now then back then.
He didn't have the assets to pay for Mackinnon. Eichel won't cost as much.

Boucher, as GM of Rimouski, was the runner up in the MacKinnon derby.

Anyway, I believe Eichel will fulfill his commitment to BU.

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I think if one domino falls, they all fall.

Kyrs and Campoli are rumored to be on QC's list... If Hanifin reports you can bet Eichel will be pushed.

With Quebec you just don't know.

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I can assure you Krys and Campoli are on every QMJHL teams list.

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I can assure you Krys and Campoli are on every QMJHL teams list.
Absolutely, however they will only report to a handful of teams.

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