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01-05-2013, 07:21 PM
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Their about to get that 60m cap next year anyways if they don't straighten the **** up.
11-12 cap was $64.3M at 57% based off revenues of $2.9B. Two things we know, it would not be 57% and revenues would take a decent hit. Since there are no revenues to report, they would have to make an assumption, and it would be low like it was last time.

Cap would probably be less than $60M by a good margin, assuming the players can't force the doors open or lose their cases/one side gets scared into going back to the table.

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01-05-2013, 07:22 PM
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I will say, lately (yesterday and today), both sides have moved. They should have done this crap along time ago though.

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01-05-2013, 07:22 PM
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I agree.
I explained before. If cap falls in season 3 to $50-55 million... If you have ten teams pushing the cap with a floor of $44 million.... They'll have to move or buyout the players and it may not actually be feasible

Escrow adjusts players share of HRR but doesn't adjust cap hit vs the salary cap

It's dangerous to go too high

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01-05-2013, 07:23 PM
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Haven't checked since around 4. any developments worth noting? Just trying to get up to speed.
NHL moved from year 2 cap from 60 to 63 million. Players wanted 65 million if you can remember, they refuse this offer as well.

Deal likely not done tonight, possible roller coaster coming and long night of talks.

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There is no objectivity in this thread at all, the PA does anything and the hive here goes nuts.

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now I will admit, IF the NHL offered the year 2 cap at 63M that is absolutely more than enough for teams.

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What's this towel thing? Is this seriously a real issue?

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The league moves off of the $60 million cap and the PA is still whining about it? It seems with Fehr nothing is ever good enough. The guy is really getting under my skin. He has these players whipped.

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Is there even the slightest chance there is a deal tonight?

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Haven't checked since around 4. any developments worth noting? Just trying to get up to speed.
It's basically the same, we expect an all nighter, but no deal by today. The players are being a bunch of crybabies and seems like they don't even want a season at this point.

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so 60 to 61 is nothing but 62 is huge
I believe the post meant 60-62 would be a huge difference negatively compared to a 70 million cap.

63 million would still require a lot of movement for teams above that now and depress the FA market next year, but I'm not sure the owners can really move too much off that. They're already giving up a LOT more than 50-50 in cap money next year between Make Whole and the fact that 63 is a de-linked number with a fraction of HRR revenues.

This is pretty much the only issue I can understand both sides' stubborness. The owners are giving out a ton more than 50-50 next year and the players are sacrificing their FA's next offseason if the cap goes too low.

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Ok, you need to go and read up on everything before commenting.

Let's see, they gave them their 50%, gave them the no cap on escrow, gave them the 10 year deal with the buy-out after 8.
Except it's not really 50% is it? The make whole makes up for the lost revenue they have.

We haven't had any confirmation from a reliable source that they've agreed on the length.

Escrow cap is the only notable thing so far.

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01-05-2013, 07:24 PM
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Something that perhaps has not been taken into account much: for the past 7 years, many teams have lost millions of dollars. That's millions of dollars coming out of the owners' pockets. During those 7 years, make a list of the players that have lost one dollar while employed by the NHL. I think the list will be empty.

The owners aren't asking for restitution though, they made a deal in 2005 and they honored it. Now they are asking the PA to make some concessions to help them fix the problems in that old economic system, so that the overall health of the league improves. Not fixed totally, there will be growing pains along the way, but HELP fix the problems.

So IMO, this needs to be considered when discussing what the PA has been asked to "give up".

(Just used your post as a soapbox for this discussion. Hope you don't mind).
The issue is, the PA and many of it's supporters have a "not my/their problem"-type attitude.

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I know it's Kyper guys but apparently the NHL is it at 63 and that is not good enough? I was thinking 62, but 63? That is totally fair.

**** these guys, seriously. I'm so done with this league.
Sure you are....

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now I will admit, IF the NHL offered the year 2 cap at 63M that is absolutely more than enough for teams.
agreed, I thought 60 was too low personally.

meet in the middle go 64. highest teams are like 2-3 mil above that.

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Is there even the slightest chance there is a deal tonight?
VERY slight, but anything is possible at this point. IF everything we are hearing is true, then I highly doubt it.

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One thing that is curious to me... the NHL allowing teams to re-sign their own players to longer contracts essentially gives players an extra incentive to stay with their current teams (which I'm personally a fan of)

However, one of the driving forces behind their insistence on a $60 million cap and the allowance of two compliance buyouts was basically increased talent dispersal?

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I explained before. If cap falls in season 3 to $50-55 million... If you have ten teams pushing the cap with a floor of $44 million.... They'll have to move or buyout the players and it may not actually be feasible

Escrow adjusts players share of HRR but doesn't adjust cap hit vs the salary cap

It's dangerous to go too high
That's the thing, they think by year 3 the revenues will be high enough that 50/50 wont cause an actual drop in the cap.

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Is there even the slightest chance there is a deal tonight?
Doubt it. Late tomorrow or monday more realistic.

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01-05-2013, 07:25 PM
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now I will admit, IF the NHL offered the year 2 cap at 63M that is absolutely more than enough for teams.
According to Kyper they did just that.

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There is no objectivity in this thread at all, the PA does anything and the hive here goes nuts.
Clearly you haven't been following the negotiations or this thread. The players have done so many questionable moves it is unfathomable. Absolutely the worst negotiators i've seen in a long time.

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so 60 to 61 is nothing but 62 is huge
No... I'm saying that 60-62 is still really low and makes a huge difference to teams compared to 65 million. Sorry it wasn't clear, your emoticon can stop shaking his head

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**** these guys, seriously. I'm so done with this league.
Is that a promise? I think you are lying.

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01-05-2013, 07:26 PM
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Im not against the PA or NHL at all right now, both have moved significantly.

Im actually surprised how fast the PA gave in on contracts, kudos to them.

This is getting done, so it's noones fault anymore! Let them argue over details it's their right.

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Is that a promise? I think you are lying.
Not a promise. Frustration at it's finest.

It's hard to root for such idiots and greedy people. I'm just glad my guys aren't out there doing this work.

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That's the thing, they think by year 3 the revenues will be high enough that 50/50 wont cause an actual drop in the cap.
No, actually they are banking on the revenue drop. Why? Because if you look at the NHL now, theres not 100% cap utilization. The trick is to get every team up to 100% cap

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