I think that's the trade off the NHLPA accepted, and the Luongo rule is a killer. Basic deal is if he or anyone on one of those backloaded deals that preceded the CBA retires with 3+ years left on the deal, then the team is on the hook for the early cap benefit. And, if you've moved him, you're still on the hook for whatever cap benefit you enjoyed before you moved him.
Question: You've got zero interest in J-Bo at 6.6M this year and next. What if Calgary at 25% of the cap hit? How does that enhance his value? Same goes for Martin. Yeah, Shero can get something for Martin at 5M. What's the market like for him where the team getting him is on the hook for 3.5M. Is the added return worth the 1.5M hit? Better still, think about Malone . . . 4.25M cap hit, 2M salary. If TB said we'll eat 40%, they're on the hook for a 1.7M cap hit and 800K in salary. But, what's Malone worth to the team getting him if they only pay a 2.55M cap hit?
I just think it opens up a **** load of possibilities, and I could see Shero buying, moving extra assets for extra cap space when it comes to potential acquisitions.
I am curious to see how this rule affects draft picks being moved for rentals. Do GM's say, "you take 50% of the salary, I'll give you a 1st, you take 30% of the salary I'll give you a second." The NHL just added another asset to play with.
I am curious to see how this rule affects draft picks being moved for rentals. Do GM's say, "you take 50% of the salary, I'll give you a 1st, you take 30% of the salary I'll give you a second." The NHL just added another asset to play with.
Bingo. Calgary's owner is a billionaire. They've got to rebuild, especially if Iginla is willing to or wants to move. What happens if they put J-Bo on the market and are willing to eat half the cap hit? IMO, to a cap strapped contender, especially for next season, he becomes a hot commodity. IMO, they go from having next to no suitors to a boat load of them.
But, who's this XXX of whom you speak? My only guess is Beau Bennett. With a name like that and a So Cal origin, I suppose he could be called the teams XXX star.
I thought that Denver Manderson was the teams' XXX star.
Where can a pretty good comprehensive list of all the changes with the new CBA be found?
Don't know. Seems to be all over the place. But, I asked this elsewhere?
Say Iggy wants out. Calgary's owner is a billionaire. What if, in addition to moving Iggy, they then put Cammy (6M this year and next), J-Bo (6.6M this year and next), and Kipper (5.825M this year and next) all on the market where they'd eat 50% of the cap hit.
I'm sure Shero would have zero interest in Cammy and J-Bo at their normal cap hits. What about at 50% off for this year and next?
Heck, I can see Paul Holmgren having a **** load of interest in J-Bo and Kipper if the combined cap hit was 6.2M for this year and next, and I'm sure he'd be willing to open the cupboard to make it happen.
Not a lot of teams will do this, but it's one heck of a way to accelerate a rebuild when you decide to go that route.
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Bylsma says Paul Martin will remain in a top-4 role and, in tomorrow's P-G, identifies a surprising candidate to be his new defense partner.
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Based on the many guesses that have come in so far, people really will be surprised by the identity of Martin's possible defense partner.
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Remarkably, despite guesses ranging from Jesus to Greg Hotham to Zarley Zalspski to Tyler Kennedy, no one has picked the right guy.
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Amazing. In 29 minutes (and countless dozens) of responses, correct name of Martin's potential defense partner was mentioned exactly once.
As much as I wanna wish and hope for Shero to get someone...I don't think he will.
Reasoning:
1. Shortened season.
2. Parise and Suter soured him
3. Pens are in a good cap situation right now with decent UFA's coming up
He will take the "I like our team" stance. We will go into the playoffs and have one of our weaknesses exposed. Out in most likely round one but at a max the 2nd.
Also I'm very interested to see if Jeffrey can finally translate his game to the big leagues. He's proven every single other place he's been that he's an offensive difference maker, except for the NHL.
I really think people will be pleasantly surprised by him this season.
As much as I wanna wish and hope for Shero to get someone...I don't think he will.
Reasoning:
1. Shortened season.
2. Parise and Suter soured him
3. Pens are in a good cap situation right now with decent UFA's coming up
He will take the "I like our team" stance. We will go into the playoffs and have one of our weaknesses exposed. Out in most likely round one but at a max the 2nd.
If Shero's team disappoints once again in the playoffs, Lemieux and Burkle may kindly suggest his job security is not quite secure.
I don't think he has the luxury to sit back and hope anymore. Not when he has two of the biggest talents in the league and only marginal results since the cup win.
If Shero's team disappoints once again in the playoffs, Lemieux and Burkle may kindly suggest his job security is not quite secure.
I don't think he has the luxury to sit back and hope anymore. Not when he has two of the biggest talents in the league and only marginal results since the cup win.
Jiggy, we just discussed in another thread a clause that will put added pressure on Shero. If he doesn't exploit the trading cap space loophole, then Holmgren and Sather sure will. And, if the Flyers and Rangers exploit that and go far and the Pens are one and done again, then I tend to agree about Ray Shero's job security, especially if he's unwilling yet again to move prospects comparable to ones other teams move to get over the hump.
IMO, we need him to be the old Ray Shero, not the guy who's so married to every prospect and pick that he seemingly forgets the prospect/pick, even if he pans out, may not make a significant contribution and likely won't make a significant contribution before Geno turns 30.
Jiggy, we just discussed in another thread a clause that will put added pressure on Shero. If he doesn't exploit the trading cap space loophole, then Holmgren and Sather sure will. And, if the Flyers and Rangers exploit that and go far and the Pens are one and done again, then I tend to agree about Ray Shero's job security, especially if he's unwilling yet again to move prospects comparable to ones other teams move to get over the hump.
IMO, we need him to be the old Ray Shero, not the guy who's so married to every prospect and pick that he seemingly forgets the prospect/pick, even if he pans out, may not make a significant contribution and likely won't make a significant contribution before Geno turns 30.
Morrow should be the only untouchable prospect. All others should be in play if a good deal is on the table.
Deryk Engelland, as I have been suggesting throughout the lockout .
....only problem is that this would make it harder for me to rag on Bylsma not understanding the meaning and significance of complementarity.... but that would of course be a positive problem.
Morrow should be the only untouchable prospect. All others should be in play if a good deal is on the table.
I'm a little out of the loop as far as the prospects are concerned. Is Morrow really considered the top guy of the group? For some reason I was under the impression that Pouliot was the guy that had the highest upside.
I'm a little out of the loop as far as the prospects are concerned. Is Morrow really considered the top guy of the group? For some reason I was under the impression that Pouliot was the guy that had the highest upside.
Just my opinion, but Morrow has Letang like upside.
He's the only guy in the system I see being able to play in all situations... QB your PP, play on the PK, eat big minutes, play a nasty physical game, etc.
I like DP a lot... Really think he is going to be an ace, but I move him before Morrow.
I also like BB, but he doesn't have the same value as Morrow IMHO.
Just my opinion, but Morrow has Letang like upside.
He's the only guy in the system I see being able to play in all situations... QB your PP, play on the PK, eat big minutes, play a nasty physical game, etc.
I like DP a lot... Really think he is going to be an ace, but I move him before Morrow.
I also like BB, but he doesn't have the same value as Morrow IMHO.
I agree with most of your points (in that morrow is more rare as he has the full package) I just feel like Morrow may be the better player, but to our team, I think BB is more untouchable because if we were to trade Morrow (not that I want to) we also have other defenseman in DP, Despres, Harrington and so on. However of BB was traded, nobody else has the potential that he does, or even close as far as I'm concerned.
And just to make things clear, I'm very high on both prospects, not trying to bash Morrow here.
I agree with most of your points (in that morrow is more rare as he has the full package) I just feel like Morrow may be the better player, but to our team, I think BB is more untouchable because if we were to trade Morrow (not that I want to) we also have other defenseman in DP, Despres, Harrington and so on. However of BB was traded, nobody else has the potential that he does, or even close as far as I'm concerned.
And just to make things clear, I'm very high on both prospects, not trying to bash Morrow here.
You could be right, I'm just really high on Morrow.
I'd imagine if BB was moved (in a package), a legit top six winger would be coming back.
Btw.... compared to most any other Pens writer he is candid and opinionated to the point that I some times think him too much, but it is nice to have someone who isn't afraid of putting the silk gloves away completely when he gets to the keyboard.
3. What I'd hope to see from Tangradi (or any linemate) with Geno and Neal is why I really, really want Kulemin. Problem is that he's probably going to cost you Bennett or Harrington. I think he's worth it (a) because I think he'd be the perfect complement, given his size and style, with Geno and Neal and (b) because I don't want Sid/Geno to do with less because maybe the prospect was the best player in the deal (which in three or so years he may be). Acquire a guy like Kulemin, then make the big deal at the deadline for a winger for Sid and Kunitz, slotting Dupuis down with Sutter and Cooke. I think back to the Philly series. The Flyers threw everything at the Kunitz-Geno-Neal line, and right fully so because Sid had no real help. I personally think, for as bad as the defense and Flower were in that series, the Pens win if Sid also had two legit wingers. I don't know, I just think, if the Pens have to have questions going into the playoffs, then they're better off with an extra question on defense than with a question about whether Sid and Geno both have the help they need to exploit the advantage that having both of them represents.
I'm not a fan of any trade involving a guy like Bennett for a guy like Kulemin or Setoguchi. I don't mind trading Bennett for, say, Bobby Ryan, who is clearly superior to Bennett's likely potential. But we all know that what we really need is to ADD AT LEAST one great forward, if not two, to our top-6. I love Kunitz/Dupuis/Cooke and they are not regressing yet, but they are all getting older. Trading Bennett for a guy like Kulemin is, at best, a lateral move (and a negative move when factoring in age & salary cap). We trade one good forward for one good forward. This doesn't help us add to our depth. The only ways we can really add are through the draft, free agency, or by trading from our position of depth (defense) for a forward. Period.
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I agree that Bennett's spot is with Kunitz and Sid, as he fits in there really well on the right side, along with bringing a dynamic that is needed on that line.
Quite a pie in the sky lineup, but it looks good if Tangradi and Bennett were to stick.
It's pie in the sky only because you don't put a guy who is coming off career seasons in TK on the 4th line. Give Jeffrey & Tangradi the chance first. If they both falter, then go to plan B. But BB on this team means waiving one of Bortuzzo, Strait & Tangradi. So let's see what we have in them first, and in the meantie, BB can continue to develop his game and stay in game shape in WBS.
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1. I suspect your fourth line would be Adams-Vitale-Kennedy.
2. You know, if Bennett and Tangradi could stick, then it would be a way to showcase each of them. Not saying that's how it plays out, but I could see one of them opening the season on the big club and ending it with another organization.
We're not showcasing BB, because we're not trading him. But we can give both Tangradi & Jeffrey a shot, and trade whichever one isn't quite producing up to par. But those the latter two guys are the guys who should start on the team this season, for obvious reasons.
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Any possibilities that Shero may have worked out a deal or two during the lockout?
Absolutely. Sit tight. We'll see where we're at after training is camp, but I'm sure there's been a lot of discussions and some plans B, C and D in place if Jeffrey or Tangradi don't perform. But the beautiful thing is we only need one of those guys to really perform well, and the likelihood of one of those 2 being able to do that is actually pretty good. So just wait and see, we might just be alright.
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I'm more worried about our defense than anything. Last season showed us the Pens problem wasn't scoring goals, but preventing them.
I would agree, but it doesn't hurt to have a goaltender to bail us out, and with Fleury AND Vokoun in the fold, I think we're more likely to get those big saves when we need to, and we'll automatically be better in these areas.
Also, I think that guys like Niskanen and Engelland are only on the upside of their careers, and Bortuzzo is fresh from having played a lot and being completely healthy. Couple that with a longer off-season/shortened season for Orpik to stay healthy, and if Martin can rebound even a little, we just might be a better defensive team overall -- and perhaps by a long shot -- even if it's not EXACTLY where we'd like to be.
The fact of the matter is, in a cap world, we can't be perfect in ever area. I think we need to sit tight just a little bit and do the best we can without mortgaging the future. Next season, guys like Dumoulin, Harrington and Bennett are likely to not only be knocking on the door, but very possibly be big-time contributors on this team, and perhaps Despres, as well. Also, many/most of our young, core guys are only getting better: this includes TK, Sutter, Jeffrey & Tangradi up front; and guys like Niskanen, Engelland and Bortuzzo on the back-end. Couple that with what I said above, and a shrewed UFA signing or trade, and we should be a contender for a long, long time. The biggest key: do well in our drafting and development. We're off to a good start on that.
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Any chance for a camp invite? Maybe Husselius?
Don't think he'll relinquish a full European league contract for just a PTO, but this is one of the few guys worth taking a flyer on if that's a possibility.
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I'm not sure about Despres. Madden mentioned that he was hurt and in general having a bad season at WBS. Maybe the Penguins are trying to send him a message by not inviting him to camp.
As for Bennett, the Penguins really have nothing to lose by letting him start on the NHL roster. If the NHL looks like it is too much for him after a few games, just send him back down.
Yes, there is somethig to lose by keeping Bennett, because unless they increase the roster allowance, it would necessitate us waiving/trading another player (Jeffrey, Tangradi, Strait) rashly. Dumb move; so better to give him the Morrow treatment and send him back to WBS. As for Despres: if we bring him up, then we should also bring up Dumoulin. Then Morrow will feel bad, as will others. It's just not worth it to their confidence and to deplete WBS any further. Let them play and get better, and compete for the first call-up in case of injury. I think it's just politics, psychology & practicality. They'll be fine to continue developing at the pro level.
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Nashville needs to add salary and I believe Colin Wilson has been in their doghouse forever. I get the feeling that he may be a Pens soon enough in exchange for a package involving one of our waiver-eligible Ds. He'd be ideal. too bad he's not right-handed but he'd look real nice in a Pens uniform. We cna also use the size up front on our top 6.
I have been a HUGE Colin Wilson fan and have a man-crush on him all summer. But NSH signed him to a nice extension, and I'm not sure if that was just to appease him and get a deal done, or if they really have confidence in this player going forward. He would look absolutely sensational in our top-6. Maybe he needs a fresh start, or maybe he just needs more ice time in NSH, but I believe Wilson can still be a legit 1st liner and PPG player in this league, and can play centre or wing. Imagine Jeffrey's best case scenario on steroids. This kid is great. NSH, however, is one of the very few teams that is even deeper than we are on the blue-line, so I don't see them having interest in Despres, Morrow, etc.
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