I was taught a hard lesson by board members not being able to handle it. However Magma is the superior nick anyway. Like I said not sure how I missed it. It will be especially excellent if he's not a fast skater but still deadly.
Because I believe we will have to give up a lot in order to get him. You don't get franchise guys like Iggy for beans. Like I said, unless its for something like TK, Lovejoy, and not one of our primary D prosps...then I don't think its worth going after him.
No doubt he would be a tremendous addition but the price will be too steep.
I don't know why you think a contender should avoid dealing anything beyond a dispensable 3rd liner and a 2nd rounder for a deadline addition who has everything we could want in a winger. I'm not saying we should sell the farm, but giving up something like a 1st rounder and a good prospect shouldn't be off the table. We can comfortably do a deal like that - the potential payoff is worth it.
If we took your position when the Hossa deal was offered, who knows where we'd be.
I'd like to get Iginla but his age (35) certainly scares me. He means so much to Calgary that it will still likely cost a premium to acquire him and if he bolts in UFA or is re-signed but naturally declines because he's getting older then we're still left without a long-term answer on the wing for Sid. Of course if we win a Cup it will lessen the sting of that. I just hope that Shero uses this cap space and assets to acquire someone that can be more of a long-term answer to the gaping hole we've had on Sid's wing for almost Sid's entire career so far.
Because I believe we will have to give up a lot in order to get him. You don't get franchise guys like Iggy for beans. Like I said, unless its for something like TK, Lovejoy, and not one of our primary D prosps...then I don't think its worth going after him.
No doubt he would be a tremendous addition but the price will be too steep.
And he's in the last year of his deal. The only way you give up much for him is if you know he'll be around a while. I'd much rather them see if he makes it till July 1st, and then take a shot at him.
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I don't know why you think a contender should avoid dealing anything beyond a dispensable 3rd liner and a 2nd rounder for a deadline addition who has everything we could want in a winger. I'm not saying we should sell the farm, but giving up something like a 1st rounder and a good prospect shouldn't be off the table. We can comfortably do a deal like that - the potential payoff is worth it.
If we took your position when the Hossa deal was offered, who knows where we'd be.
This draft is apparently suppose to be deep. I'd be hesitant to give up the 1st or 2nd if at all possible.
I'd like to get Iginla but his age (35) certainly scares me. He means so much to Calgary that it will still likely cost a premium to acquire him and if he bolts in UFA or is re-signed but naturally declines because he's getting older then we're still left without a long-term answer on the wing for Sid. Of course if we win a Cup it will lessen the sting of that. I just hope that Shero uses this cap space and assets to acquire someone that can be more of a long-term answer to the gaping hole we've had on Sid's wing for almost Sid's entire career so far.
Ideally we'd trade for a guy like Bobby Ryan, sure. But short of a pie-in-the-sky deal like that, there aren't any potentially available wingers who are more sure things for the immediate future than Iginla (outside of Perry).
Setoguchi or Stewart or Kulemin might rekindle their games here, but we'd be counting on a rejuvenation. Iginla's scored 30+ goals every year for the past 11 years on a team with godawful centers, and he's a hardworking team player through and through. That would be huge for us.
Curious but would you guys say a PMD/offensive dman is something Pens need going forward?
Hawks have a glut of PMD young dmen/prospects with Nick Leddy (NHL) , Adam Clendening (AHL) and Dillon Fournier (QMJHL)
Anyone think Depress could become available maybe for a guy like Clendening
Depress fits more the mold of what Hawks need right now
With Keith and Leddy on NHL roster (And I guess Oduya though I hate him) having Clendening waiting in wings seems a bit excessive
Exactly. Despres fits what the Hawks need, but Clendenning absolutely dose NOT fit what the Penguins need. If the Pens were to trade Despres (which is a fair possibility), it's not going to be for an undersized, offensive-minded Dman, when they just drafted Pouliot and have Morrow in the system, as well.
What the Pens could use on defense is a guy like Despres, whether he's ready now or in a year or two: a big body who can be a physical presence and move guys from the front of the net, while also providing some offense and two-way play. I'm not against trading him, but if he gets traded, we'd be looking at a forward coming back, and you have lots of them. Think about Despres ++ for a guy like Saad or Teravainen, or at least a forward with top-6 upside.
Exactly. Despres fits what the Hawks need, but Clendenning absolutely dose NOT fit what the Penguins need. If the Pens were to trade Despres (which is a fair possibility), it's not going to be for an undersized, offensive-minded Dman, when they just drafted Pouliot and have Morrow in the system, as well.
What the Pens could use on defense is a guy like Despres, whether he's ready now or in a year or two: a big body who can be a physical presence and move guys from the front of the net, while also providing some offense and two-way play. I'm not against trading him, but if he gets traded, we'd be looking at a forward coming back, and you have lots of them. Think about Despres ++ for a guy like Saad or Teravainen, or at least a forward with top-6 upside.
I don't think the Pens would trade their most NHL-proven defense prospect for forward prospects they recently had the opportunity to draft themselves.
I don't know if the reports were true about Despres and his dedication...that just sounds strange, but he's still a guy I just don't deal. He looked so ready for the NHL. He has size and skill. I am just not for that.
Me too. But we aren't talking about any old deadline acquisition.
We're talking about a perennial elite winger with no chinks in the armour, on or off the ice.
Are we though? He's a UFA in July. Yes he's good, but without some assurances as to whether he'll stay, why would you trade a lot for him? He turned 35 this summer. He has 2 maybe 3 years left at an elite level. Why not spend those assets on someone who's younger than 35?
Ideally we'd trade for a guy like Bobby Ryan, sure. But short of a pie-in-the-sky deal like that, there aren't any potentially available wingers who are more sure things for the immediate future than Iginla (outside of Perry).
Setoguchi or Stewart or Kulemin might rekindle their games here, but we'd be counting on a rejuvenation. Iginla's scored 30+ goals every year for the past 11 years on a team with godawful centers, and he's a hardworking team player through and through. That would be huge for us.
Speaking about Stewart, apparently he's got his priorities figured out and reported to camp 25 pounds lighter. Good for him but doesn't look like he may be available anymore unless he goes through a bad slump and goes into Hitchcock's doghouse again.
Speaking about Stewart, apparently he's got his priorities figured out and reported to camp 25 pounds lighter. Good for him but doesn't look like he may be available anymore unless he goes through a bad slump and goes into Hitchcock's doghouse again.
Are we though? He's a UFA in July. Yes he's good, but without some assurances, why would you trade a lot for him? He turned 35 this summer. He has 2 maybe 3 years left. Why not spend those assets on someone who's younger than 35?
Yes, we are. Deadline acquisitions are usually impending UFAs. They almost never have a track record as impressive as Iginla's.
If we re-signed him, it would be icing on the cake. If we acquired him it would be because we want to win now, and he would give us the best chance (outside of Perry). Why not spend the assets on someone younger? Because whoever else we could get probably wouldn't be near as good as Iggy is now.
I honestly don't think people consider all the problems an Iginla acquisition would solve. Our top 6 wingers would be established. Our powerplay would have it's RH shot on the half-boards. We'd have a 3rd forward capable of creating offense on his own.
It would be a dream. If you have trouble imagining that, try to think of what a nightmare it would be if Philly got him.
I don't think the Pens would trade their most NHL-proven defense prospect for forward prospects they recently had the opportunity to draft themselves.
Well, there's a very good probability that if the Pens had a 2nd top-10 or top-12 pick they would have drafted Teravainen, who looked FANTASTIC at the WJCs this year; and Saad SIGNIFICANTLY has improved his stock since his draft. So just because the Pens didn't draft these players doesn't mean squat. Drafting is not an exact science. You take the guy who you think is the best at your given draft position. By the time the Pens 2nd rounder in 2011 was there, Saad was off the board anyway, so it's a moot argument.
In any event, it's well known and established, as well as logically apparent, that the Pens at at some point will move Dmen assets for forward assets. I will debate with you that Despres is the most NHL ready because by all accounts, Bortuzzo has been the most consistent player in WBS, whereas Despres has been up and down. By next season, Harrington will be our most NHL ready Dman prospect. So I'm in no rush to trade Despres, but he is by no means untouchable, and his status as NHL ready is very debatable.
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I don't know if the reports were true about Despres and his dedication...that just sounds strange, but he's still a guy I just don't deal. He looked so ready for the NHL. He has size and skill. I am just not for that.
Yeah, and then we drafted Pouliot and Matta, and then acquired Dumoulin and Ruopp by trade. So the entire landscape of our Dmen prospect situation has changed, especially when you factor in Samuelsson, who many of us thought was a write-off, who know looks like he's back in the conversation as a legit prospect; and Harrington's continued progression. I'm not saying Des[res will be the one to get moved, but he's as good a candidate as any.
Speaking about Stewart, apparently he's got his priorities figured out and reported to camp 25 pounds lighter. Good for him but doesn't look like he may be available anymore unless he goes through a bad slump and goes into Hitchcock's doghouse again.
We'll see how it goes. With the glut of scoring line capable forwards the Blues have plus Tarasenko coming over, Stewart's opportunities may be limited.
Well, there's a very good probability that if the Pens had a 2nd top-10 or top-12 pick they would have drafted Teravainen, who looked FANTASTIC at the WJCs this year; and Saad SIGNIFICANTLY has improved his stock since his draft. So just because the Pens didn't draft these players doesn't mean squat. Drafting is not an exact science. You take the guy who you think is the best at your given draft position. By the time the Pens 2nd rounder in 2011 was there, Saad was off the board anyway, so it's a moot argument.
In any event, it's well known and established, as well as logically apparent, that the Pens at at some point will move Dmen assets for forward assets. I will debate with you that Despres is the most NHL ready because by all accounts, Bortuzzo has been the most consistent player in WBS, whereas Despres has been up and down. By next season, Harrington will be our most NHL ready Dman prospect. So I'm in no rush to trade Despres, but he is by no means untouchable, and his status as NHL ready is very debatable.
The AHL is the AHL, and the NHL is the NHL. That's why I said NHL-proven.
The Pens like drafting defense prospects, and have passed on highly touted forward prospects to take them - more highly touted than anyone you mentioned, in fact. Had that been their priority, they could've taken one. They didn't.
I don't see Despres getting traded anytime soon, but if he does, I'm sure it'll be for an established player, not a prospect.
Speaking about Stewart, apparently he's got his priorities figured out and reported to camp 25 pounds lighter. Good for him but doesn't look like he may be available anymore unless he goes through a bad slump and goes into Hitchcock's doghouse again.
We have enough defensive prospects. Giving one up in a trade along with other pieces is certainly worth it to get Iginla. I mean how many do we need? I'd rather get something for them than horde them since it's impossible that all of them will play for this team in the future. There are just too many.
Understandable but Iggy will be a UFA this next off season. Changes of us resigning him to a manageable cap hit are VERY slim, IMHO. Not to mention he is in the twilight of his career. All those things considered, I don't think he's worth giving up a Despres, Morrow, Harrington, Pouliot, or Maatta for. Dumoulin, Strait, Bortz, etc, we can talk.
If we are going to trade a D prospect of high caliber it needs to similar to a Gogo-Neal trade.
Understandable but Iggy will be a UFA this next off season. Changes of us resigning him to a manageable cap hit are VERY slim, IMHO. Not to mention he is in the twilight of his career. All those things considered, I don't think he's worth giving up a Despres, Morrow, Harrington, Pouliot, or Maatta for. Dumoulin, Strait, Bortz, etc, we can talk.
If we are going to trade a D prospect of high caliber it needs to similar to a Gogo-Neal trade.
The man is a year and a half removed from being the #6 scorer in the league, and 2/3 of what you're offering is waiver-wire material. Unbelievable.
I understand why people keep suggesting to trade our young def for pieces but look at the def right now. Letang Orpik niskanen engelland only have a year and half under contract. And who knows whats gonna happen with martin. If we sign letang to something like 7-8 mil a year there isnt much money left to spend on def with sid and genos contracts. We need to keep these guys unless we get something good not some rental player for half a year.
However Magma is the superior nick anyway. Like I said not sure how I missed it. It will be especially excellent if he's not a fast skater but still deadly. 
