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01-06-2013, 08:51 AM
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why are some of you looking to dump Pyatt? He is on a 1 mill contract and is a very solid bottom 6 forward.

Rupp on the other hand..

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01-06-2013, 08:52 AM
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I wouldnt rule this out.

Redden has to be on the cap this season, and he wants to continue his NHL career. If we had a viable option for a #6 defenseman, I wouldnt even be considering this - but we dont.

A motivated Redden playing for his NHL future might be a better option than Bickel/Eminger/Gilroy. They should give him a shot.
Unless they removed the provision that prohibits a team from buying out an injured player, this is absolutely not an option. There is no way they take any risk that Redden would be forced to remain on the 2013-2014 64.3m cap. It would be absolute devastation to our lineup.

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Someone spark up the "line-combo" thread.

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01-06-2013, 08:55 AM
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Will be interesting to see what happens with Redden. If you still cannot buyout an injured player, the Rangers are likely to make him stay at home for the shortened season so that they can buy him out over the summer without the risk of him being injured.

However, that's a pretty big layoff for a player to not be playing any hockey, and it may impact his ability to get a contract when he becomes a UFA.
I don't know US law, but this is probably an issue out of the parties controll.

IE, I am sure there is some kind of law or precedent that say that you cannot fire someone if they get sick. Or restrictions to the posibility to do so atleast. From the PA's side its also questionable in the typical situation.

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Most likely, Redden will be told to stay home and stay in shape. He'll be amnesty bought-out on day 1 when the NHL decides that process is good to go.

Still think there might be an NHL market for the guy. Though to save $900K the Rangers, at least on paper, need to send him to the AHL.

Also trademarking a new Twitter hashtag: #Wadecision2013

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So am I reading this correctly? Buyouts can be done after this season and next season? So we could buy out Richards after the 14-15 season is completed? We get two more seasons with him for a cup run then we can re-evaluate to see if that cap hit is still worth it with an older Richards and see who is available at that time.

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01-06-2013, 08:58 AM
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why are some of you looking to dump Pyatt? He is on a 1 mill contract and is a very solid bottom 6 forward.

Rupp on the other hand..
Both Rupper and Pyatt are on 1.5m.

As to your question, we will need a heavy weight and Rupper is very good in the room. We have already lost core character players in Anisimov and Dubinsky. With that in mind, and if we need to save 600k, Pyatt is atleast a option. But I wouldn't mind keeping him either.

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01-06-2013, 08:59 AM
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Unless they removed the provision that prohibits a team from buying out an injured player, this is absolutely not an option. There is no way they take any risk that Redden would be forced to remain on the 2013-2014 64.3m cap. It would be absolute devastation to our lineup.
He'd have 1 year left, and he wouldnt count against the cap if injured. Theres a lot of reasons to attack Redden playing with the team this year - this isnt one of them.

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So am I reading this correctly? Buyouts can be done after this season and next season? So we could buy out Richards after the 14-15 season is completed?
All reports are "ambigious". Like I said above, if you are allowed to execute them prior to 13/14 you can infact execute them right away. That is prior to that season too. But if you could make em right away, way write a report like that using the words "prior" and 13/14???

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01-06-2013, 09:03 AM
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He has 1 year left, and he wouldnt count against the cap if injured. Theres a lot of reasons to attack Redden playing with the team this year - this isnt one of them.
He has two years left. 2012-2013 and 2013-2014. Players count against the cap if they are on LTIR, but you can exceed the cap by that amount. The problem would be him being injured during the buyout window, but healthy when the season started. It would be absolute insanity to run that risk, and I am confident that the Rangers will keep him home due to that risk.

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01-06-2013, 09:11 AM
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I agree Ola, I think Redden will be traded to a team with cap room with a pick or prospect, he brings them up to the cap floor and then can be bought at at the end of the season. This is a move Sather is probably been working for a while seeing the writing on the wall.
all the teams over the cap floor anyways, phoenix is closest at about 50mil. and after this season they have 6 RFAs and 7 UFAs (this includes both smith and labarber in net), so I think they will have no problem getting over the floor in 2013-2014.

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01-06-2013, 09:13 AM
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Someone should send Slats a pallet of Jolt Cola, he needs to get back to business. Alot could potentially be done here.

-Redden is a cheap buyout. He can be bought out for around 4m I would guess.

-We will not use Redden until he can be bought out.

-There are plenty of budget teams who has very expensive buyouts and who will opt not to make them because they can't afford it.

Vincent Lecavalier and James Wisniewski are two examples. VL is owed 50+m and Wish is owed 27m. That's alot of money for two budget teams.

*Would CBJ do Redden and Pyatt for Wish and Boone Jenner? We would be able to use Wish this season, and he would be of great help to our PP and give us a really deep blueline, and then buy him out in 5 months. CBJ saves like 14m by trading Jenner. That's alot of money.

*Would Tampa trade Lecavalier and a first and a third for Redden? They save like 31m. I guess that's alot of money even for Dolan, but there are plenty of other potential targets...
I can't envision the Jackets buying out Wiz. They're not in any danger of having issues with the cap anytime soon. Plus, when Wiz is healthy, he's one of their top D-men along with Toots and JMFJ.

Trade him to save money and give up a solid prospect in the deal? Doubtful.

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Personally, I don't think they should be on the same line together. Put either Gabby or Nash on the second line.
In most normal situations I agree completely. But its Torts and you know we'll get a look at this line at some point when we are in a desperate situation.

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TSN, which has continual coverage on the subject this morning, is reporting that the buyouts can only happen once THIS season is over. So, Redden can only be brought out prior to the 13-14 season.

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Both Rupper and Pyatt are on 1.5m.

As to your question, we will need a heavy weight and Rupper is very good in the room. We have already lost core character players in Anisimov and Dubinsky. With that in mind, and if we need to save 600k, Pyatt is atleast a option. But I wouldn't mind keeping him either.
Heavyweights are overrated. We need the best talent possible. I wouldn't keep Rupp over a guy that's more talented than him. Rupp is a 4th liner, Pyatt is a 3rd liner. I don't know what it is with fans' obsession with fighting. The Wings don't fight and they're the most successful franchise in hockey.

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Heavyweights are overrated. We need the best talent possible. I wouldn't keep Rupp over a guy that's more talented than him. Rupp is a 4th liner, Pyatt is a 3rd liner. I don't know what it is with fans' obsession with fighting. The Wings don't fight and they're the most successful franchise in hockey.
So many topics, I don't have time to write!!!

Personally, my belief that is for this team we have right here -- we need a heavy weight. Guys like Callahan and co will not back down and let a goon on another team run around without being challenged. If we don't have a goon, someone else would be fighting goons on other teams and I do not want guys like Callahan fight those guys... Or McI when he gets a shot in NY. Atleast not every game. We have lost alot of toughness already in Dubinsky and Prust.

I just think it makes sense to keep Rupper.

I get your point to, and I think its valid in general. Not just for this team.

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So many topics, I don't have time to write!!!

Personally, my belief that is for this team we have right here -- we need a heavy weight. Guys like Callahan and co will not back down and let a goon on another team run around without being challenged. If we don't have a goon, someone else would be fighting goons on other teams and I do not want guys like Callahan fight those guys... Or McI when he gets a shot in NY. Atleast not every game. We have lost alot of toughness already in Dubinsky and Prust.

I just think it makes sense to keep Rupper.

I get your point to, and I think its valid in general. Not just for this team.
Now that Prust is gone, it does make sense to keep Rupp. Prust was still fighting guys bigger than him last season, though, and I seriously have qualms about just assuming Rupp will be up to the task this year.

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Someone spark up the "line-combo" thread.
Completely forgot about the ones where we vote for what the lines should be, didn't think we'd be able to do that at all this year :drapercry:

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Heavyweights are overrated. We need the best talent possible. I wouldn't keep Rupp over a guy that's more talented than him. Rupp is a 4th liner, Pyatt is a 3rd liner. I don't know what it is with fans' obsession with fighting. The Wings don't fight and they're the most successful franchise in hockey.
I'm sorry, what now? Do the names Chelios, McCarty, Shannahan, Probert, or Kocur ring any bells?

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OK buyout Redden but what does this mean for Richards 10-year contract ??

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And all is forgiven.
...like it never happened.

Had a friend who just e-mailed me "So, when are we going to a game?"

I replied hes free to watch with me on my couch at any time.

Im not putting any money into this cluster****. I know everyone is excited that they're going to see hockey again, but this deal has done nothing to address the long term issues with this league. See you again in 2020.

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