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01-06-2013, 09:21 PM
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Just listening to the interview, Gillis mentioned Schroeder as playing well and challenging for a spot. (Kassian too but we all knew that.)
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It couldn't score goals last year. When did Kesler get injured? How was their output before and after the injury? I still think a line with Kesler and Booth needs somebody that can manage the puck and make a pass or two. Too much head down, go to the net and shoot mentality between them.
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Kassian.
Is Viggy going to trust him? Can he trust him? He had some soft hands and made some nice passes at times last year. Other than his stat line, I have no idea how he's been doing in Chicago. Has he shown that much you'd want him on the second line?

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01-06-2013, 09:24 PM
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For the love of god, do not put Booth on Schroeder's wing. It's tough enough being a rookie, let alone having to cover for Booth's defensive miscues.

My preferred option:

Sedin-Sedin-Burrows
Higgins-Schroeder-Hansen
Raymond-Lapierre-Booth
Weise-Malholtra-Kassian
Ebbett

Hamhuis-Bieksa
Edler-Tanev
Garrison-Corrado
Ballard-Alberts

Kassian can move up and down the lineup based on his play.

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01-06-2013, 09:26 PM
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Was hoping archibald got a spot somewhere.

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01-06-2013, 09:42 PM
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It couldn't score goals last year. When did Kesler get injured? How was their output before and after the injury? I still think a line with Kesler and Booth needs somebody that can manage the puck and make a pass or two. Too much head down, go to the net and shoot mentality between them.
Which is why I keep saying Kassian belongs on that second line. You need a playmaker who plays RW. You have a playmaker who plays RW. PUT HIM IN.

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01-06-2013, 09:56 PM
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Was hoping archibald got a spot somewhere.
No chance at this point, but this season has definitely opened some doors for him in the future. Nice to see us developing some solid bottom-6 forwards, it always seems like so few of ours are homegrown. Archibald and Mallet could be 2/3rds of a pretty scary 4th line one day.

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But what about Bozak?


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01-06-2013, 10:01 PM
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No chance at this point, but this season has definitely opened some doors for him in the future. Nice to see us developing some solid bottom-6 forwards, it always seems like so few of ours are homegrown. Archibald and Mallet could be 2/3rds of a pretty scary 4th line one day.
or maybe Frisien and Griener will also join in the mix....

Mallet Friseien Griener.......the all Alex line......

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01-06-2013, 10:04 PM
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Which is why I keep saying Kassian belongs on that second line. You need a playmaker who plays RW. You have a playmaker who plays RW. PUT HIM IN.
You're convincing me more and more that this could have some success. I imagine what we'll see is AV juggle lines even more than usual in the early going, as a sort of pre-season within the season. Basically, we can assume that Sedin, Sedin, Burrows, Booth, Kesler, Higgins, Lapierre, Malhotra, and Hansen make the team. That's 9 forward spots spoken for and 4 to compete for, with really only Kassian, Schroeder, Ebbett, Raymond, Weise, and Volpatti to fight for them (until Pinizzotto becomes available.) I'd predict Volpatti and Ebbett to miss out. But that's a ton of moving parts that could be arranged into some pretty interesting combinations, and I'm sure we'll see just about all of them.

This training camp will not feature many jobs up for grabs in terms of roster spots, but lots of battles for positions within the roster. I'd say other than Sedin-Sedin-________ followed by ________-Kesler-_______, nothing can truly be penciled in.

PS: What the heck are Canucks fans going to complain about without a pre-season or an October?

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01-06-2013, 10:41 PM
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Kassian and Schroeder on the second line is a horrible idea IMO.

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01-06-2013, 10:50 PM
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I think the endgame will look like this without any Luongo trade:

Sedin-Sedin-Burrows
Booth-Kesler-Kassian
Higgins-Lapierre-Hansen
Weise-Malhotra-Raymond
Ebbett
Volpatti

I really hope Luongo + Raymond will be traded a big, young, center to fill in the 3C position.

Drew Shore, Shawn Matthias, Joe Colborne, Sean Coutourier, or Ryan Johansen fits the mold.

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01-06-2013, 10:54 PM
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I think the endgame will look like this without any Luongo trade:

Sedin-Sedin-Burrows
Booth-Kesler-Kassian
Higgins-Lapierre-Hansen
Weise-Malhotra-Raymond
Ebbett
Volpatti

I really hope Luongo + Raymond will be traded a big, young, center to fill in the 3C position.

Drew Shore, Shawn Matthias, Joe Colborne, Sean Coutourier, or Ryan Johansen fits the mold.
Quite the difference between the first 3 and the last 2, no?

Colborne has 4 goals in the AHL right now, and if IIRC 2 are empty netters.

Matthias isn't good enough to center Florida's 4th line, let alone a cup favourites 3rd.

Drew Shore is probably 2 full years from the NHL.

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01-06-2013, 10:59 PM
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For the love of god, do not put Booth on Schroeder's wing. It's tough enough being a rookie, let alone having to cover for Booth's defensive miscues.

My preferred option:

Sedin-Sedin-Burrows
Higgins-Schroeder-Hansen
Raymond-Lapierre-Booth
Weise-Malholtra-Kassian
Ebbett

Hamhuis-Bieksa
Edler-Tanev
Garrison-Corrado
Ballard-Alberts

Kassian can move up and down the lineup based on his play.
I agree. I personally think plopping guys in where they normally are won't work with Kesler gone-- Schroeder, Kassian, and Booth need a bit of shelter, and we really need to make use of how much it helps to have guys like Hansen/Burrows/Lapierre helping these guys out and covering their butts.

The lines are going to need to look a little jumbled and creative for this to work, IMO.

Sedin - Sedin - Kassian/Raymond/Who cares, let'em work it out (Kassian could be worth a gamble for a short stretch, and as much as we like to trash him, Raymond worked well as a stop-gap last year and should have recovered quite a bit by now)
Burrows - Schroeder - Hansen (surround Schroeder with as much help/brains as possible-- anything with Burrows-Hansen is bound to be dynamite)
Higgins - Lapierre - Booth (just tell them to crash and try to mimick the Amex line-- Lapierre has shown that he'll play out of his mind for short stretches when needed)
Raymond/Kassian - Malhotra - Weise

Hamhuis - Bieksa
Edler - Garrison
Ballard - Tanev

Schneider
Luongo


It might not look right, but at least you know that your #2 and #3 lines will be able to fend for themselves and compete while still having the Sedins as the #1

I think that with Kesler gone, it would be absolutely mad not to give Lapierre a bigger role. I think this is one of those situations where you can't afford to not have the Sedins do all the heavy lifting on their line. We don't have enough depth not to spread it around.


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01-06-2013, 11:08 PM
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Quite the difference between the first 3 and the last 2, no?

Colborne has 4 goals in the AHL right now, and if IIRC 2 are empty netters.

Matthias isn't good enough to center Florida's 4th line, let alone a cup favourites 3rd.

Drew Shore is probably 2 full years from the NHL.
Playing DA: Matthias played almost 14 min/game and they won the SE.

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Quite the difference between the first 3 and the last 2, no?

Colborne has 4 goals in the AHL right now, and if IIRC 2 are empty netters.

Matthias isn't good enough to center Florida's 4th line, let alone a cup favourites 3rd.

Drew Shore is probably 2 full years from the NHL.
There is a discrepancy, its just a list of targeted players and hoping you get the best one out of the bunch, if not, then get the best alternative. If Hodgson can be utilized effectively in the 3C spot, then any of those mentioned will do fine in the same position. Difference being is that they aren't small like Hodgson.

Colborne has picked it up recently, lets not forget he is a former first round draft pick that is 6-5/6-6 with excellent hands. He is capable of being a bottom six NHLer at this stage in his career and possibly develop into something more.

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There is a discrepancy, its just a list of targeted players and hoping you get the best one out of the bunch, if not, then get the best alternative. If Hodgson can be utilized effectively in the 3C spot, then any of those mentioned will do fine in the same position. Difference being is that they aren't small like Hodgson.

Colborne has picked it up recently, lets not forget he is a former first round draft pick that is 6-5/6-6 with excellent hands. He is capable of being a bottom six NHLer at this stage in his career and possibly develop into something more.
I watched Colborne play yesterday.

Colour me very unimpressed.

Scored though - into an empty net.

Could care less where he was drafted, has NO bearing for me.

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Playing DA: Matthias played almost 14 min/game and they won the SE.
Counter: barely played 10 a game in the playoffs.

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Isn't Colbourne a slow skater? When I watched him he looked pretty slow, and it was in the AHL.

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Is there any real reason to give Ebbett a tryout at camp?

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Is there any real reason to give Ebbett a tryout at camp?
What do you mean? He's been an absolutely ideal #13 forward.

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Is there any real reason to give Ebbett a tryout at camp?
Don't let Thomas Drance hear you saying that.

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What do you mean? He's been an absolutely ideal #13 forward.
Yup. I remember ragging on him last season.

Me: damn you AV why is this guy on the ice in OT?

Ebbet: tips in gwg.

He's fine as a 13th. I'd prefer Weise in that spot though.

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Is there any real reason to give Ebbett a tryout at camp?
You just know AV is going to throw him on the 2nd PP, and the 2nd line. He'll be great for a game. He'll stay for the next 15, and by the time AV has realized his flub, he'll be canned and Ebbett will be sent down to the AHL for the last time in his career.

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Playing DA: Matthias played almost 14 min/game and they won the SE.
Goc was playing over 17 mins per game, but it doesn't make him a top 6 forward.

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