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01-15-2013, 04:13 PM
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I must have missed Lebrun saying this

"According to colleague Pierre LeBrun, the Blackhawks talked trade with the Kings regarding talented backup Jonathan Bernier during the summer. But as camp opens, the Blackhawks have the same duo of Corey Crawford and Ray Emery that shared duties last season."

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01-15-2013, 04:18 PM
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See, Bowman talks to general managers about players and pursues good free agents. However, he couldn't land Bernier, Roy, Grabovski, or Parise. We'll see what he can do. At least he recognizes the problem and who to go after. He just needs to stop hesitating, take the plunge once, and pony up.

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01-15-2013, 04:22 PM
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See, Bowman talks to general managers about players and pursues good free agents. However, he couldn't land Bernier, Roy, Grabovski, or Parise. We'll see what he can do. At least he recognizes the problem and who to go after. He just needs to stop hesitating, take the plunge once, and pony up.
We have no idea what the Kings were asking for Bernier.

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01-15-2013, 04:25 PM
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We have no idea what the Kings were asking for Bernier.
This is true, but the Hawks have some leverage since they have Quick and the fact that Bernier hasn't been shy about his disliking of being in LA as the full-time backup.

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01-15-2013, 04:26 PM
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This is true, but the Hawks have some leverage since they have Quick and the fact that Bernier hasn't been shy about his disliking of being in LA as the full-time backup.
The Hawks have zero leverage.

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01-15-2013, 04:28 PM
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We have no idea what the Kings were asking for Bernier.
Yes but as Culk said one time you have to take the plunge, so yes the Hawks might give up 1 more pick then they wanted, but if it nets us a #1 G, #2 C or legit top #4 Dman with some size then so be it. Otherwise Bowman will wait and wait until it's too late saying no deal was good enough.

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Yes but as Culk said one time you have to take the plunge, so yes the Hawks might give up 1 more pick then they wanted, but if it nets us a #1 G, #2 C or legit top #4 Dman with some size then so be it. Otherwise Bowman will wait and wait until it's too late saying no deal was good enough.
That's the thing though, Bernier isn't a for sure #1G.

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The Hawks have zero leverage.
In a negotation, they have a little. Not a ton but still some. He doesn't want to be there. If LA asks for a little too much, Stan can just tell Lombardi to keep his disgruntled backup goaltender.

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In a negotation, they have a little. Not a ton but still some. He doesn't want to be there. If LA asks for a little too much, Stan can just tell Lombardi to keep his disgruntled backup goaltender.
..and LAK will keep him, they could probably care less what Bernier wants, they will do what is right for their team 1st.

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Yes but as Culk said one time you have to take the plunge, so yes the Hawks might give up 1 more pick then they wanted, but if it nets us a #1 G, #2 C or legit top #4 Dman with some size then so be it. Otherwise Bowman will wait and wait until it's too late saying no deal was good enough.
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That's the thing though, Bernier isn't a for sure #1G.
He's better than anything we have outside of Crawford and in the system. He's worth taking the plunge for to try to develop him into a number one within a few years. Bernier could easily be better than Crawford in not too long. Easily.

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01-15-2013, 04:33 PM
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In a negotation, they have a little. Not a ton but still some. He doesn't want to be there. If LA asks for a little too much, Stan can just tell Lombardi to keep his disgruntled backup goaltender.
That's only leverage if Lombardi sees it as a problem.

He's said many times before that he doesn't.

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..and LAK will keep him, they could probably care less what Bernier wants, they will do what is right for their team 1st.
They will keep him because they can't get exactly what they want.

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The Hawks have zero leverage.
And the Kings need him while Quick is out.

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01-15-2013, 04:36 PM
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Yes but as Culk said one time you have to take the plunge, so yes the Hawks might give up 1 more pick then they wanted, but if it nets us a #1 G, #2 C or legit top #4 Dman with some size then so be it. Otherwise Bowman will wait and wait until it's too late saying no deal was good enough.
If LA still values him as a "future franchise net minder" than the asking price is probably too high. I don't think the Hawks should trade their 1st round pick for a guy that is completely unproven as a starting Goalie. Bernier was nothing special (sub .500) in his role last year for the Stanley Cup Champs.

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Whatever the case is, I'd make a play for him. There aren't top tier goalies available. You have to trade for/draft one and develop that player into hopefully being a long-term staple and an important piece to a team with Cup aspirations. It'd take a couple years with Bernier, but after Crawford, who's next? We have no one. It's pathetic.

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01-15-2013, 04:38 PM
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Whatever the case is, I'd make a play for him. There aren't top tier goalies available. You have to trade for/draft one and develop that player into hopefully being a long-term staple and an important piece to a team with Cup aspirations. It'd take a couple years with Bernier, but after Crawford, who's next? We have no one. It's pathetic.
So what if they want Hjalmersson, Saad, and a 1st round pick.

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So what if they want Hjalmersson, Saad, and a 1st round pick.
You just take the plunge and do it, apparently.

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So what if they want Hjalmersson, Saad, and a 1st round pick.
You don't do that, but if it's McNeill and a first, you do that **** without thinking twice.

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01-15-2013, 04:40 PM
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You just take the plunge and do it, apparently.
Let me speak for myself.

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You don't do that, but if it's McNeill and a first, you do that **** without thinking twice.
No, you don't. Not even Halak was traded for that much after his great run in the playoffs in 2010.

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That's the thing though, Bernier isn't a for sure #1G.
His numbers are identical to Crawford, .910 SV% for both, 2.5 GAA for Bernier, 2.52 for Crawford. So if Crawford is a #1 so is Bernier, the difference, Bernier is 4 years younger and will still develop, Crawford is who he is. Bernier might not have the same pedigree as someone like Craig Anderson but his ceiling his much higher. I would rather take the guy who will be good, but could be great for 10 years then the guy will will be good for 2.

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I feel Stalberg for Bernier is a fair swap that addresses both team's needs. If Lombardi isn't willing to do that I would say forget it.

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Bernier posted a .913 and a .909 save% the last 2 years. Crawford.....917 and .903.

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His numbers are identical to Crawford, .910 SV% for both, 2.5 GAA for Bernier, 2.52 for Crawford. So if Crawford is a #1 so is Bernier, the difference, Bernier is 4 years younger and will still develop, Crawford is who he is. Bernier might not have the same pedigree as someone like Craig Anderson but his ceiling his much higher. I would rather take the guy who will be good, but could be great for 10 years then the guy will will be good for 2.
Bernier is younger but he's 24. He probably is who he is too at this age. You aren't a prospect at 24.

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You don't do that, but if it's McNeill and a first, you do that **** without thinking twice.
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No, you don't. Not even Halak was traded for that much after his great run in the playoffs in 2010.
Nailed it.

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