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Hall vs. Seguin (Better Player to Build Around)

View Poll Results: Who will have the best career?
Taylor Hall 89 40.09%
Tyler Seguin 133 59.91%
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01-06-2013, 11:35 PM
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Yay another thread showing that Hall is the most underrated player on HF
Only to the people who massively overrate him.

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01-06-2013, 11:38 PM
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Building a team? Hall

Hall is probably the most underrated player on HF. I don't think it's anti-Oilers bias, because HF seems to rate Eberle highly. I think it's more ignorance and simply going off of the points standings rather than watching the game.

The majority of Oiler fans will take Hall over Eberle, yet on HF in general it's distinctly the opposite. I wonder why that is...

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01-06-2013, 11:54 PM
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Well this is more civil than expected. I pick Hall. But im an oiler fan so its biased.

Still a case of should we pick 1a or 1b and at this point they have stayed very close as everyone expected

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01-07-2013, 12:36 AM
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Building a team? Hall

Hall is probably the most underrated player on HF. I don't think it's anti-Oilers bias, because HF seems to rate Eberle highly. I think it's more ignorance and simply going off of the points standings rather than watching the game.

The majority of Oiler fans will take Hall over Eberle, yet on HF in general it's distinctly the opposite. I wonder why that is...
Most of HF voted Skinner>>>>>>Eberle after their rookie seasons so reality is most of HF doesn't know anything.

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01-07-2013, 01:42 AM
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Seguin.

Not really all that impressed with Hall.. been ok the first couple years but injuries are a concern.

Don't know why he got so much money

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01-07-2013, 05:01 AM
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Most of HF voted Skinner>>>>>>Eberle after their rookie seasons so reality is most of HF doesn't know anything.
Im sorry I forgot Oiler fans knew everything, please tell us how about the playoffs you guys were going to be in last season, hows that stacked AHL team going for ya.

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01-07-2013, 07:49 AM
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01-07-2013, 07:52 AM
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Tyler Seguin
Habs fan choosing Segs, poll over

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01-07-2013, 08:32 AM
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Tyler Seguin.



I wish looking back,that Edmonton should've picked Tyler Seguin first overall.



Edmonton Oilers top 6 would then look like this:


Hemsky-RNH-Eberle
Hartikainen-Seguin-Yakupov


Looks a lot more balanced.

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01-07-2013, 10:36 AM
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Im sorry I forgot Oiler fans knew everything, please tell us how about the playoffs you guys were going to be in last season, hows that stacked AHL team going for ya.
This is why there were about 5-6 Oiler fans saying that we expected to miss the playoffs for every 1 Oiler fan saying that we'd make it.

People like you will make up garbage and try and pass it off like the entire fanbase is saying it.

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01-07-2013, 10:58 AM
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Seguin.

Not really all that impressed with Hall.. been ok the first couple years but injuries are a concern.

Don't know why he got so much money
You must have pretty high expectations if Hall has just been ok in your eyes.

Look at their averages from last season(won't go their rookie seasons since that's not fair to Seguin).

Goals/Points Per Game
Seguin: 0.350 / 0.827
Prorated: 82 games- 29 goals and 68 points
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Hall: 0.443 / 0.869
Prorated: 82 games- 36 goals and 71 points

Hall was the better offensive player. Sure he averaged a shift or two more a game but that's really not that much...and yes he played with RNH and Eberle but he also spent about just as much time with Gagner and Hemsky(two players that hardly lit it up last season). Also, as impressive as RNH was as an 18 year old. He wasn't Bergeron. You give Hall a Selke winning center, a former Norris winner feeding him break out passes, a former vezina winning goalie and just a better defensive system in general that would lead to him having possession of the puck more often...I think he does more than what Seguin did on the Bruins. I'll admit that Seguin is the better defensive player but it's not by that much. Hall is not a liability out there and again, playing with a Selke winner sure makes it easier to look like a very good defensive player.

Take Seguin over Hall if you want due to the injuries but when both are in the line up, IMO Hall is the better player. He's the better goal scorer, he harder to play against, he doesn't need good linemates to create chances, he gives the Oilers their identity when he's in the line up...and there probably isn't a player under 22 that I'd rather have in the playoffs. If the Oilers ever win the cup, you know Hall is the guy winning the Conn Smythe.

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01-07-2013, 11:02 AM
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Im sorry I forgot Oiler fans knew everything, please tell us how about the playoffs you guys were going to be in last season, hows that stacked AHL team going for ya.
Check the AHL scoring leaders. What was the point of your post? Oiler fans are one of the most knowledgable fan bases out there.

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01-07-2013, 11:29 AM
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01-07-2013, 01:32 PM
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Seguin, injuries are huge when you can't stay healthy a whole season.

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We're questioning whether you take a 2 way center or an injury prone winger?

Seguin wins on this by virtue of his position alone.

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We're questioning whether you take a 2 way center or an injury prone winger?

Seguin wins on this by virtue of his position alone.
Who's the 2 way center?

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We're questioning whether you take a 2 way center or an injury prone winger?

Seguin wins on this by virtue of his position alone.
Seguin's a RW.

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We're questioning whether you take a 2 way center or an injury prone winger?

Seguin wins on this by virtue of his position alone.
I love it when in the Seguin vs. Hall threads someone talks about Seguin being better because he's a center. It makes it obvious they have no idea what they are talking about.

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Seguin's a RW.
And was drafted as a center.

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I love it when in the Seguin vs. Hall threads someone talks about Seguin being better because he's a center. It makes it obvious they have no idea what they are talking about.
I don't think it's that shocking to suggest that centers are more valuable to a franchise than wingers are.

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And was drafted as a center.

I don't think it's that shocking to suggest that centers are more valuable to a franchise than wingers are.
It's not, but Seguin hasn't played at all as a centre thus far at the NHL level. Calling him a 2-way centre at this point in his career is premature.

Furthermore, when you're discussing players of Seguin's/Hall's calibre, I don't think going purely off position is prudent.

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Check the AHL scoring leaders. What was the point of your post? Oiler fans are one of the most knowledgable fan bases out there.
Now I've seen it all.

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I still think Edmonton made a big mistake. Id take Seguin

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We're questioning whether you take a 2 way center or an injury prone winger?

Seguin wins on this by virtue of his position alone.
LOL I have no problem with someone taking either guy but Seguin isn't a C, and certainly isn't "a 2 way center". Neither guy is very good defensively, but if I had to give one the edge it would be Hall because at least he's a little more physical.

The correct answer is you pick the one you think will be better offensively, because the defense isn't going to be a selling point for either guy.

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LOL I have no problem with someone taking either guy but Seguin isn't a C, and certainly isn't "a 2 way center". Neither guy is very good defensively, but if I had to give one the edge it would be Hall because at least he's a little more physical.

The correct answer is you pick the one you think will be better offensively, because the defense isn't going to be a selling point for either guy.
Being more physical is just as likely to mean that you take yourself out of the play. There's no doubt that Seguin could be more physical, which he showed improvement in last year's playoffs. But even at his current level, he's, at worst "decent" (if not good) defensively, using his speed and hockey IQ (anticipation) to break up plays and generate counter-offense on the back-check.


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Check the AHL scoring leaders. What was the point of your post? Oiler fans are one of the most knowledgable fan bases out there.
No Oilers fans are not even close to being the most knowledgeable.

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