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02-25-2005, 08:33 AM
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Perry, Phaneuf, Crosby: CHL best, how would they do in AHL this year?

How would the best players (drafted except Crosby) in CHL do in AHL this year? How many points, what role would they play on an AHL team: Phaneuf, Getzlaf from WHL, Perry, Richards, Carter and Schremp from OHL, Crosby from Q?

My guesses:

Phaneuf: top 2 dman, PP, pk time, points I have no idea
Getzlaf: on top 2 lines, maybe even top line, PP, i'd guess about 50 points
Perry: on top 2 lines, top PP unit, i'd guess about 40-50 points (think he had 2 pts in 3 playoff games in AHL last year)
Carter: top line C, PP, maybe even PK, 50-60 points
Richards: 2nd/3rd line C, 1 unit PK, 30 points, heart and soul type player
Schremp: 2nd line C, maybe top line C over course of the year, PP specialist, 25 goals, 40-50 points, rookie PP goals leader
Crosby: top 1 C, PP, points is tough to guess, i'd say 60-70

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Phaneuf would have his growing pains and probably play a little more conservatively. Probably 20 points and playing much better in the 2nd half. It's sometimes a tougher adaptation for d-men.

Crosby would most likely be at 50 points or so, I agree. A lot depends on linemates and circumstances, but he'd be putting up numbers where he played.

Perry and Schremp would both take time to fit in. They would have a tougher time acting as a roll player, and it will take each of them some time to adapt to the speed of pro game (given neither is that fast in the CHL). Their teams will have to be patient with them. They would probably be getting a few PP points if they saw time on those units, but that would depend on the team. Perry is physically a bit more ready and might be at 30 point range in an ideal situation with PP team - something like you're seing Corey Locke get. Schremp is really the least ready of that group IMO, mostly given his style of play.

Carter, Richards and Getzlaf would be faring a bit better, Carter probably a bit ahead with perhaps 30-40 points if he was a scoring line with good linemates. Richards and Getzlaf would probably be fitting in alright on a checking line with perhaps 20 points and solid two-way play on a checking line (see Dan Paille in Rochester).

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crosby with 50 points in his rookie AHL season?? uhh...

you realize jamie lundmark scored 57 points, 27 goals in his rookie AHL season?

you realize zach parise has 40 points already this season?

if crosby is even remotely the prospect he's being hyped to be, i'd expect a lot more out of him than 50 points

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crosby with 50 points in his rookie AHL season?? uhh...

you realize jamie lundmark scored 57 points, 27 goals in his rookie AHL season?

you realize zach parise has 40 points already this season?

if crosby is even remotely the prospect he's being hyped to be, i'd expect a lot more out of him than 50 points
I dunno......Lundmark and Parise were/are twenty year olds in that league and more physically ready for it.As good as Crosby is he's just a kid of barely 17 years of age,that makes a difference.I think their projections are about right imo.

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hrm, i was thinking more along the lines of when they get to the AHL as opposed to right now for some reason, so yeah that could be right then...

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crosby with 50 points in his rookie AHL season?? uhh...

you realize jamie lundmark scored 57 points, 27 goals in his rookie AHL season?

you realize zach parise has 40 points already this season?

if crosby is even remotely the prospect he's being hyped to be, i'd expect a lot more out of him than 50 points
I'd half expect him to lead the league in scoring.

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I'd half expect him to lead the league in scoring.
Even with Spezza pacing 100pts? I was thinking the same, but Spezza is a great prospect and is 4 years older with 2 almost 3 years of pro hockey under his belt.

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hrm, i was thinking more along the lines of when they get to the AHL as opposed to right now for some reason, so yeah that could be right then...
I see what you mean,i misinterpreted it thinking you meant Crosby in the league right now at 17.As a twenty year old i would have to agree with you......way more then 60 or so points.Leading the league going away would be more like it for sure.

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I think most of those players listed would have a bigger upside than most people
guessed especially Crosby and Perry.Some of these guys would be playing in the
NHL.Does the CHL name an all-star team at the end of the year?I know they name a player of the year,rookie of the year etc.If they do it would be interesting to see
how this team looks compared to previous ones.

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Didn't Gretzky score 100 some points in the WHA as a 17 year old Racer?

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Didn't Gretzky score 100 some points in the WHA as a 17 year old Racer?
Not sure,he started in the wha when he was still 17 but i think he only got there at the end of the season.I do believe his 100 point season there came the next season when he was 18 but someone out there may be able to clarify this with 100% certainty as i am not 100% sure.

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I see what you mean,i misinterpreted it thinking you meant Crosby in the league right now at 17.As a twenty year old i would have to agree with you......way more then 60 or so points.Leading the league going away would be more like it for sure.
I'm asking about Crosby NOW in the AHL as a 17 year old. I'd say next year as a 18 year old he'd be in top 5 maybe even leading league in points, this year i'd have to say 50-60 pts

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I'm asking about Crosby NOW in the AHL as a 17 year old. I'd say next year as a 18 year old he'd be in top 5 maybe even leading league in points, this year i'd have to say 50-60 pts
Yep,maybe 50-60.He'd be beter prepared next year of course and may be top five or even lead.something tells me he would'nt lead the league though.......but top five yeah.

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Not sure,he started in the wha when he was still 17 but i think he only got there at the end of the season.I do believe his 100 point season there came the next season when he was 18 but someone out there may be able to clarify this with 100% certainty as i am not 100% sure.
Wayne turned 18 mid way through his first season in the WHA

Born January 26th 1961

1978-79 Indianapolis Racers WHA 8 3 3 6 0
1978-79 Edmonton Oilers WHA 72 43 61 104 19

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Wayne turned 18 mid way through his first season in the WHA

Born January 26th 1961

1978-79 Indianapolis Racers WHA 8 3 3 6 0
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Late 70's alot more goals were being scored. Plus Wayne is wayne Crosby is no Wayne.

No way in hell Crosby outscores Spezza at this point in there careers. Maybe in 4 or 5 years but not yet.

im Guessing 70 points for Crosby. Just look at what Bergeron is scoring he would prolbably roughly the same.

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Perry and Schremp would both take time to fit in. They would have a tougher time acting as a roll player, and it will take each of them some time to adapt to the speed of pro game (given neither is that fast in the CHL). Their teams will have to be patient with them. They would probably be getting a few PP points if they saw time on those units, but that would depend on the team. Perry is physically a bit more ready and might be at 30 point range in an ideal situation with PP team - something like you're seing Corey Locke get. Schremp is really the least ready of that group IMO, mostly given his style of play.
I think Perry should be in the AHL now and would do quite well. He might've even lead the rookie points race by a hair.
He seems well on his way to, at the very least, becoming something like Viktor Kozlov.

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