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01-13-2013, 03:08 PM
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He was better than Backstrom during the Channel One Cup.

Hard to describe how he was playing, but it was a real treat, you guys will be surprised if you didn't watch it.

Also from Whyno:
What were his #s like in the minor league he was playing in? Given it was a crap league, he should have been running away with the scoring title, right?

He's a good defensive player being shoehorned into a role he can't fill. It's sad.

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01-13-2013, 03:57 PM
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What were his #s like in the minor league he was playing in? Given it was a crap league, he should have been running away with the scoring title, right?

He's a good defensive player being shoehorned into a role he can't fill. It's sad.
I can't remember, but I know he was outperforming Kopitar PPG wise.

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01-13-2013, 04:48 PM
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My bet is that Ovie is back at LW by game 2.
Negative nellie wow. I would think fans support all HIS endeavors to expand on his game.

You missed on Fehr and I bet you miss that one too.

Even though you are not getting a very good payout predicting he plays at his natural position in any single game.

By charging into the zone as he has, he became the QB of our offense, but he's a chucker, a shooter. Problem; Nick doesn't get the puck, Green never gets a pass from him, etc. And defenses are too easily drawn up. We run into 3 left shot RDs, and our offense is dead in the water.

I hope we play him at both RW and LW. Let him do what he does and let him try new things. He became far too predictable and remains that way since he has no pass option as he storms in and cuts inside. He can be so much more dynamic.

I want to see him and Nick pass to each other on their forehands attacking the goal. Basic hockey. I am surprised you are so bearish on it.

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01-13-2013, 05:04 PM
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For some reason I thought Backstrom was injured. Is he expected to start the season now? He'll be one of my top targets for fantasy hockey this year, even above AO I think.

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01-13-2013, 05:07 PM
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For some reason I thought Backstrom was injured. Is he expected to start the season now? He'll be one of my top targets for fantasy hockey this year, even above AO I think.
He went to a specialist before camp, which everyone assumed was bad news. Turns out he got the all clear, though, and he's been fully participating in skates/practices/etc. since.

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I can't remember, but I know he was outperforming Kopitar PPG wise.
http://stats.swehockey.se/Teams/Info...IK%20Karlskoga

http://stats.swehockey.se/Teams/Info...3005#Mora%20IK


Johansson: 1.125 pts/game, 28.21% FO%
Kopitar: 1.097 pts/game, 60.06% FO%

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01-13-2013, 05:10 PM
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http://stats.swehockey.se/Teams/Info...IK%20Karlskoga

http://stats.swehockey.se/Teams/Info...3005#Mora%20IK


Johansson: 1.125 pts/game, 28.21% FO%
Kopitar: 1.097 pts/game, 60.06% FO%
What's the point of the bold part? He's slotted at 1RW right now...

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01-13-2013, 05:18 PM
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Poti scores a PPG with the Bears

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01-13-2013, 05:27 PM
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http://stats.swehockey.se/Teams/Info...IK%20Karlskoga

http://stats.swehockey.se/Teams/Info...3005#Mora%20IK


Johansson: 1.125 pts/game, 28.21% FO%
Kopitar: 1.097 pts/game, 60.06% FO%
Might as well include # of faceoffs taken. Mojo had 39, Kopitar had 696. Big difference in sample size

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01-13-2013, 05:29 PM
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He went to a specialist before camp, which everyone assumed was bad news. Turns out he got the all clear, though, and he's been fully participating in skates/practices/etc. since.
Awesome. Thanks for the info!

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01-13-2013, 05:39 PM
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Laich - Ribeiro - Ovechkin
Johansson - Backstrom - Brouwer
Chimera - perreault - Fehr/Wolski
Hendricks - Beagle - Ward/Crabb

or

Laich - Ribeiro - Ovechkin
Wolski/Perreault - Backstrom - Brouwer
Chimera - Johansson - Fehr/Ward
Hendricks - Beagle - Crabb

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01-13-2013, 05:43 PM
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http://stats.swehockey.se/Teams/Info...IK%20Karlskoga

http://stats.swehockey.se/Teams/Info...3005#Mora%20IK


Johansson: 1.125 pts/game, 28.21% FO%
Kopitar: 1.097 pts/game, 60.06% FO%
So not even good enough to play center in Swedish minor league hockey, and people here actually thought he was supposed to be the future at 2C.

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01-13-2013, 05:46 PM
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So not even good enough to play center in Swedish minor league hockey, and people here actually thought he was supposed to be the future at 2C.
Kopitar took over 650 more faceoffs than he did. He took under 40 faceoffs. Calm down pal.

And I like how you completely ignore the fact that he out produced Kopitar and focus solely on the 39 faceoffs he took.

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01-13-2013, 05:53 PM
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So not even good enough to play center in Swedish minor league hockey, and people here actually thought he was supposed to be the future at 2C.
His team in Sweden didn't put him in a central role on purpose because they knew he probably wasn't staying the whole season. He played on the 2nd line as a winger and got minutes thereafter as well.

My view of MoJo is that if he isn't progressing from last year he should be traded for or as part of our future 2C.
I was thinking maybe MoJo, Orlov, Chimera for Couture? (And Murray if SJS like to shed some salary).

Sjs has Pavelski to play 2C, they barely have any young promising players, their bottom 6 is horrible and they need to get faster.
Marleau-Thornton-Clowe
Johansson-Pavelski-Havlat
Chimera-Handzus-Burish
Galiardi-Desjardins-Wingels

Boyle-Vlasic
Stuart-Burns
Braun/Demers-Orlov


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01-13-2013, 05:58 PM
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Kopitar took over 650 more faceoffs than he did. He took under 40 faceoffs. Calm down pal.

And I like how you completely ignore the fact that he out produced Kopitar and focus solely on the 39 faceoffs he took.
Yeah his team just kept him from playing center for ***** and giggles. If he was good enough to play center in the Swedish minor leagues he would have been playing there on a regular basis.

P/G in that league means very little to the NHL.

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01-13-2013, 06:03 PM
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Yeah his team just kept him from playing center for ***** and giggles. If he was good enough to play center in the Swedish minor leagues he would have been playing there on a regular basis.

P/G in that league means very little to the NHL.
PPG is meaningless. Face off percentage for a winger, means everything.

Oh yeah Poti with a power play goal with Hershey, 4-0 10 left in 3rd. http://theahl.com/stats/game-summary...ame_id=1010417


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To me, the fact that Backstrom is clearly the team's best player means that whatever line he's on is the first line.

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01-13-2013, 06:09 PM
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To me, the fact that Backstrom is clearly the team's best player means that whatever line he's on is the first line.
Nah, play him as the 2nd line LW and don't let him take any faceoffs. That's what you do with Swedish centers, brah.

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01-13-2013, 06:34 PM
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Also means Ovechkin wont have to give and take the majority of his passes on his backhand could really help chemistry Backstrom

Mojo Being a left handed shot also will get same benefit
Absolutely, I think MJ will like LW over RW and do fine before we transition him to C when Ribs is gone.

If Nick was a right hand shot, he could feed crisp one timers to Ovi on the attack. He isn't. The few times we see him pass to Ovi on the rush at ES, he usually flips a little backhand towards Ovi.

I don't think that pass (nor many others) led to a single goal over the past 100+ games. Nick simply does not see the puck much on the rush.

Our top playmaking center should be regularly firing his best passes to our best shooter on designed plays on the rush. Bruce let Ovi camp at the far blue to the end. Dale reeled in Ovi, and Ovi kept up a decent scoring pace on a shell team. He can change, and wants to more, apparently. I am thrilled. He is embracing it and not forced into it.

This should be one of the top lines in the league. Ovi can do so much more than camp high storm in 1 on 3 and shoot. I don't mind the odd cherry pick but not as the foundation of our offense. I want Nick in the play.

The pond melted. I want to see elite grade plays attempted by our top line.


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I also like the idea of moving Ovechkin back to LW time to time to take advantage of weaker defenders. Being able to play both sides of the ice will make Ovie harder to defend and a more valuable player.

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I also like the idea of moving Ovechkin back to LW time to time to take advantage of weaker defenders. Being able to play both sides of the ice will make Ovie harder to defend and a more valuable player.
Ovechkin knows the right wing, well. Its useless because his ****ing line mates are cowering in their own zone because Hunter tells them to not trust Ovechkin.



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first proper day back on the boards.
my head is going to explode.

Johansson is developing perfectly
Backstrom should only play centre
Fehr cost NOTHING so why not
Ovechkin plays with Backstrom
Ribiero is No.2 centre
Mike Green is a very good defenceman

and in opinion news:

I think Oates is going to be fantastic for our top 6. Especially getting Ovi's head working a little better with working the give and go etc. Green should bounce back. i wont say much more though for now, just glad hockey is back.

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What were his #s like in the minor league he was playing in? Given it was a crap league, he should have been running away with the scoring title, right?

He's a good defensive player being shoehorned into a role he can't fill. It's sad.
He's right around 6th or 7th in the league in PPG. Guys right above him include Carl Hagelin, Mikael Backlund, Bobby Ryan, and Matt Read. He's just above Kopitar, and ahead of Patrik Berglund and Gabriel Landeskog.

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Nah, play him as the 2nd line LW and don't let him take any faceoffs. That's what you do with Swedish centers, brah.
His Swedish club, BIK Karlskoga, already had two established top 2 centers before Johansson got there. One is an assistant captain, the other is close to a PPG. Both are older than Johansson, and will be there all season. Their top line wingers are #1 and #5 in PPG, discounting the locked out NHLers. They'll both be there all season. Why would they displace one of those guys for a kid who'd never played on that team before, never played with any of their players, had no training camp or preseason, and who ended up being there for all of 16 games?

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I predict.....
Mojo finishes with 35 points in 48 games
Fehr score 10-15 goals
And Poti makes this team.......
If only to shut up a few people who have counted these guys out on the first day of camp

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What the hell is with everyone wanting to keep Backstrom at center?

We've got an overload of centers now and Backstrom at wing would bring a completely new dynamic the rest of the NHL isn't ready for. We kept Backstrom at center for 5 ****ing years and all we have to show for it is sporadic 2nd round exits.

Bunch of ******* conformists each and every one of you.

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