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01-10-2013, 10:55 AM
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EXACTLY. This shouldn't even be an option unless on the PP or down late in the game...spread the wealth, make it harder for teams to match up against us...
Actually, I certainly put them together for one of the PP units.

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As the opposition, I think having to defend against a line that has Nash on one side and Gaborik on the other is going to create problems. You put one superstar on a line and you can single him out.
Hagelin-Richards-Gaborik

You isolate Gaborik, you have Richards who can score.

Nash-Stepan-Callahan

You isolate Nash, you have Callahan who scored 29 goals last season.

If you put Nash and Gaborik together, it makes it easier for the opposing teams checking line and/or top d pairing.

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I hate the idea of Gaborik and Nash on the same line. Spread out the scoring. Let each player be the dominant player on their respective lines. I don't want Gaborik and Nash worrying about stepping on each other's toes and deferring to the other. Besides, playing them together makes the Rangers a lot easier to defend.
I'm sure we will get a look at all combos. Those three are bound to get PP time together

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I can't wait to see Nash!

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Torts is obviously going to try every combination imaginable until he finds something that clicks, so we'll see. The Nash - Richards - Gaborik line sounds nice in theory, but who knows how it'd work in practice.

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So whats the read on Redden? I just read McKenzies piece on TSN. Is he invited to camp?

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Torts is obviously going to try every combination imaginable until he finds something that clicks, so we'll see. The Nash - Richards - Gaborik line sounds nice in theory, but who knows how it'd work in practice.
What worries me is that line dominating and Torts neglecting to role the 4 lines. He's got to spread the talent out if we want to make it to the cup

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So whats the read on Redden? I just read McKenzies piece on TSN. Is he invited to camp?
Best thing for the Rangers is to just keep him home, and compliance buyout him in the off-season.

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01-10-2013, 11:16 AM
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Stepan and Callahan have NEVER shown any ounce of chemistry together. Stepan also played his best hockey with Gaborik as his RW, and Kreider seemed comfortable next to Stepan. Nash is suited to play with Richards. If he's at LW, Callahan plays the opposite wing. If Nash is on RW, Hagelin is the LW. Pratt can play both LW and RW on the 3rd line.

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Actually, I certainly put them together for one of the PP units.
That's what I meant; def have them on the PP or if we're down late in the game...but regular even-strength, ya gotta spread out Gabby and Nash...like others have said, teams will have a much easier time matching their top checking line/top d pairing against us with Nash and Gabby on the same line...

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Best thing for the Rangers is to just keep him home, and compliance buyout him in the off-season.
That's weak. If they have to pay him and he counts on the cap... He has to be better than whoever our 6th D man is...

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That's weak. If they have to pay him and he counts on the cap... He has to be better than whoever our 6th D man is...
Risk. If he sustains a bad injury, can't buy him out. Redden's $5.6 on the cap doesn't really matter for the Rangers this season, and his $6.5m is gone next year for free. No biggie, really.

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01-10-2013, 11:28 AM
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That's weak. If they have to pay him and he counts on the cap... He has to be better than whoever our 6th D man is...
I was starting to think the same thing. Might as well let him be the 6th defenseman. I really, really don't think Bickel, Eminger, or Gilroy are better than him.

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Risk. If he sustains a bad injury, can't buy him out. Redden's $5.6 on the cap doesn't really matter for the Rangers this season, and his $6.5m is gone next year for free. No biggie, really.
But if he sustains a bad injury, wouldn't he be eligible for LTIR?

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That's weak. If they have to pay him and he counts on the cap... He has to be better than whoever our 6th D man is...
He does?

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01-10-2013, 11:32 AM
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If you rank the NYR defensemen...

1. McDonagh
2. Girardi
3. Staal

large gap

4. Del Zotto
5. Stralman

large gap

6-8 Eminger, Gilroy, Bickel.

I'd say Redden is better than Bickel. Probably better than Gilroy. But I don't think that he is better than Eminger at this point and if you'd ask NYR management if they'd risk a long term injury negating a buyout for a borderline upgrade at 6th-7th D I think they'd say that was an unnecessary risk.

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But if he sustains a bad injury, wouldn't he be eligible for LTIR?
And what do we do when he comes back from LTIR if it's during the season?

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If you rank the NYR defensemen...

1. McDonagh
2. Girardi
3. Staal

large gap

4. Del Zotto
5. Stralman

large gap

6-8 Eminger, Gilroy, Bickel.

I'd say Redden is better than Bickel. Probably better than Gilroy. But I don't think that he is better than Eminger at this point and if you'd ask NYR management if they'd risk a long term injury negating a buyout for a borderline upgrade at 6th-7th D I think they'd say that was an unnecessary risk.
There's no way Girardi is better than a healthy Staal. Girardi is a guy that has too many streaks of games where he isn't that great.

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01-10-2013, 11:40 AM
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But if he sustains a bad injury, wouldn't he be eligible for LTIR?
he could hurt during the summer buyout window and then not be out for the whole year

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I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't love to see the big 3 together on a line. I'd like to see what happens.
Not many teams have legitimate top 4 D-men which means they can be exposed if you can put at least two potent lines on the ice. Most teams have a top pairing that can shut other teams down. So, to have the luxury of creating two, top flight lines is great and we should take advantage of that depth. Also, I agree with those who say Kreider needs to play with a center who can get him the puck in scoring areas, which means it would be a waste to play him in the bottom six.

So, I want to see us start with:

Nash Richards Callahan
Kreider Stepan Gaborik
Hagelin Boyle Pyatt
Rupp Halpern Asham

If chemistry doesn't develop on either of the top lines move Hags in and change it up. You could move Cally down. If the team was considering moving Kreider down I would move him all the way down to Hartford and bring up Miller to play 3rd line LW or Hrivik.

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If you rank the NYR defensemen...

1. McDonagh
2. Girardi
3. Staal

Girardi's not at Staal's level.

Imo, when Staal was finally healthy, he was our best dmen in the playoffs. Better than McD. Ryan has the higher ceiling. Flashier player. But even he's not at Staal's level yet.

Staal
McDonagh

Girardi

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Last I remember of Redden at the NHL level was he couldn't handle the pace. He'd definitely gone soft as well. Buy out as soon as possible.

Gilroy can skate and has pretty good skills but he can't play defense and for all the nice set of skills he doesn't put up a lot of points and he is as soft a defenseman as it comes.

Eminger is workable at least if he's got over his injuries. He's a gamer. Decent package of skill--decent in his own end--gets in the way and is willing to take a hit and give a hit.

Bickel needs some work but he is the toughest defenseman we have at the moment--at least after McIlrath.

The way I'd rank them:

1. and 1a. Eminger, Bickel
2. Gilroy
3. Redden

I'm also thinking that barring a trade to bring in another righty d-man potentially McIlrath is on the team before the year is out. Seriously if Dylan pairing with Gilroy in Hartford is becoming the defensive conscience of that duo--continually bailing Matt out when he gets caught out of position or up the ice how the hell would anyone rank Gilroy over him? Just because he's older?--more experienced?--which doesn't mean a whole lot if you're lousy positionally--like Matt is. To me Gilroy should be for emergency purposes only. I don't see him being much of an insurance policy.

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imo either hagelin or callahan has to play with boyle for that to be a checking line...doesn't matter if both deserve to be in the top 6. putting kreider on that line not only negates CK's offensive upside but also he isn't ready to be a checking unit forward...

hagelin earned himself a spot in the top 6 last year and I wish we had better 3rd line linemates for him to play with but i just think it makes so much more sense to have hagelin with boyle and pyatt as your checking line that torts can match against other lines when needed.

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If you rank the NYR defensemen...

1. McDonagh
2. Girardi
3. Staal

large gap

4. Del Zotto
5. Stralman

large gap

6-8 Eminger, Gilroy, Bickel.

I'd say Redden is better than Bickel. Probably better than Gilroy. But I don't think that he is better than Eminger at this point and if you'd ask NYR management if they'd risk a long term injury negating a buyout for a borderline upgrade at 6th-7th D I think they'd say that was an unnecessary risk.
not disagreeing with your order but i think you are underrating del zotto.

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imo either hagelin or callahan has to play with boyle for that to be a checking line...doesn't matter if both deserve to be in the top 6. putting kreider on that line not only negates CK's offensive upside but also he isn't ready to be a checking unit forward...

hagelin earned himself a spot in the top 6 last year and I wish we had better 3rd line linemates for him to play with but i just think it makes so much more sense to have hagelin with boyle and pyatt as your checking line that torts can match against other lines when needed.
Nor should Kreider ever be a checking unit forward. He thrives with better playmaking forwards. He has a quick release, he just needs time and space and good players will provide that for him.

Personally I think the top 9 should be:

Hagelin-Richards-Nash
Kreider-Stepan-Gaborik
Pyatt-Boyle-Callahan

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