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01-08-2013, 12:32 PM
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A lot of strange thoughts in this thread. I think we all need to stop, take a deep breath, and be glad hockey is back.
Pssssst...Only the NHL was gone.

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01-08-2013, 12:34 PM
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Pssssst...Only the NHL was gone.
You are correct. Okay, let me re-state. The NHL is back and all of my access to professional hockey on television.

Now back to your regularly scheduled circle jerk about enforcers.

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01-08-2013, 12:36 PM
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You are correct. Okay, let me re-state. The NHL is back and all of my access to professional hockey on television.

Now back to your regularly scheduled circle jerk about enforcers.
Real classy.

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01-08-2013, 12:36 PM
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Nothing's wrong with Cooke on that line. He's as good a replacement for Kunitz as there is on the team.

I see I'm going to soon be missing talking about the lockout...
Who said anything was wrong with Cooke?

Most here seem to want BB and Tangradi to get a shot. Some seem to think Jeffrey could add something.

BUT, if that doesn't work out (more likely than not) or happen (more likely than not with DB), then Cooke seems to be the most reasonable alternative.

Now, TK with Geno and Neal is another story . . .

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I think we should start a board mandate to never link to anything Rossi posts, ever. Agreed? Can we sticky this?

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01-08-2013, 12:39 PM
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Real classy.
I'm just personally tired of you and that other dude flooding every thread with Macintyre videos.

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01-08-2013, 12:42 PM
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I'm just personally tired of you and that other dude flooding every thread with Macintyre videos.
I've posted like one MacIntyre video in the past seven months.

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01-08-2013, 12:43 PM
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Who said anything was wrong with Cooke?

Most here seem to want BB and Tangradi to get a shot. Some seem to think Jeffrey could add something.

BUT, if that doesn't work out (more likely than not) or happen (more likely than not with DB), then Cooke seems to be the most reasonable alternative.

Now, TK with Geno and Neal is another story . . .
I'm always on the fence with TK, but I think he gets a little too much flak and if anyone deserves a legit shot on a top line, it's him.

That's more an indictment on the team's lack of options at wing than TK's actual ability, but that's for Shero to fix.

I want to see Jeffrey skate after recovering fully from the knee injury, but I mean, bleh. As for Tangradi, we'll have to wait and see, but I don't like him having only a 10 goals in over 30 games in the AHL.

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I've posted like one MacIntyre video in the past seven months.
Nevermind. Sorry about that.

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01-08-2013, 12:52 PM
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I'm always on the fence with TK, but I think he gets a little too much flak and if anyone deserves a legit shot on a top line, it's him.

That's more an indictment on the team's lack of options at wing than TK's actual ability, but that's for Shero to fix.

I want to see Jeffrey skate after recovering fully from the knee injury, but I mean, bleh. As for Tangradi, we'll have to wait and see, but I don't like him having only a 10 goals in over 30 games in the AHL.
Tangradi really started well in WBS and went into the toilet in his last 15 games. Agreed on Jeffrey.

That said, I want to see Tangradi get a real shot. It's sink or swim time there.

And, I'd like to see Bennett get a shot. If the only real questions are physical and how he'd deal with the tough matchups, then there's only one way to find out, because the kid's got all the other tools.

In the end, though, I think it will be Cooke, if only because he, unlike TK, would understand his role on a line with Geno and Neal.

BTW, nothing written above should detract from my firm belief that Ray Shero really should be looking to add a guy for Sid and Kunitz and a guy for Geno and Neal and then run a third line of Cooke-Sutter-Dupuis. As I keep saying, Sid and Geno are the Pens advantage. No team would have the depth to deal with both of them if each had two good (as in legit but not necessarily top end top six) wingers. Time to exploit that advantage instead of mitigating it with inferior personnel.

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01-08-2013, 12:54 PM
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I've posted like one MacIntyre video in the past seven months.
Many people on this website think enforcers are worthless players (which I don't blame them). They don't understand that enforcers are great locker-guys that are there to protect teammates and bring momentum by fighting.

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01-08-2013, 12:55 PM
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Tangradi really started well in WBS and went into the toilet in his last 15 games. Agreed on Jeffrey.

That said, I want to see Tangradi get a real shot. It's sink or swim time there.

And, I'd like to see Bennett get a shot. If the only real questions are physical and how he'd deal with the tough matchups, then there's only one way to find out, because the kid's got all the other tools.

In the end, though, I think it will be Cooke, if only because he, unlike TK, would understand his role on a line with Geno and Neal.

BTW, nothing written above should detract from my firm belief that Ray Shero really should be looking to add a guy for Sid and Kunitz and a guy for Geno and Neal and then run a third line of Cooke-Sutter-Dupuis. As I keep saying, Sid and Geno are the Pens advantage. No team would have the depth to deal with both of them if each had two good (as in legit but not necessarily top end top six) wingers. Time to exploit that advantage instead of mitigating it with inferior personnel.
Didnt Tangradi kinda slow down production wise when the team went on that terrible run?

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01-08-2013, 12:59 PM
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Didnt Tangradi kinda slow down production wise when the team went on that terrible run?
Yes, and I don't doubt that was a contributing factor.

As I said, I hope that he AND BB both get legit shots. Maybe Tangradi will sink. Maybe BB not being totally ready physically will prove too much of an impediment at this time. But, given this roster right now, it's time to find out with both of them.

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01-08-2013, 01:04 PM
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Yes, and I don't doubt that was a contributing factor.

As I said, I hope that he AND BB both get legit shots. Maybe Tangradi will sink. Maybe BB not being totally ready physically will prove too much of an impediment at this time. But, given this roster right now, it's time to find out with both of them.
Totally agree. Its not a bad thing having a couple spots for young guys to sink or swin. At least it gives Shero a better idea of where the team stands and what needs to be added closer to the deadline.

As for Bennet, I think he could come in this year and contribute. He reminds me a lot of David Perron. Same build, both have incredible vision and hands. Both have/had knocks on their skating. BB is exactly the kind of player this team needs. His creativity will create a lot of space for whoever is on his line once he adjusts to the speed of the NHL

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01-08-2013, 01:10 PM
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Totally agree. Its not a bad thing having a couple spots for young guys to sink or swin. At least it gives Shero a better idea of where the team stands and what needs to be added closer to the deadline.

As for Bennet, I think he could come in this year and contribute. He reminds me a lot of David Perron. Same build, both have incredible vision and hands. Both have/had knocks on their skating. BB is exactly the kind of player this team needs. His creativity will create a lot of space for whoever is on his line once he adjusts to the speed of the NHL
I haven't watched BB enough to know. JTG used the Skinner example (not to compare players but to illustrate the 'will he get killed' concern). Perron might be an even better example.

Put it this way (and I'd love to know what others here who really have watched him think): Is BB, in terms of skill level and where he's at with his development, comparable to an 18 year old Perron, where the only real question is physical?

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This is kinda off topic but I really hope TB use their amnesty buyout on Malone during the summer. He would be a perfect 3rd wheel to Malkin-Neal plus his previous chemistry with Malkin. I was always a pretty big fan of Malone though.

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01-08-2013, 01:15 PM
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Sid needs a good winger to play with, if we give Malkin our 2 best wingers, it's unbalanced.

In that article, he mentions Sutter taking the draws and playing on Malkin's line. I was thinking, what about Jason Arnott? 38 years old, 17 goals and 34 points last season, maybe he can be the 3rd line center/2nd line winger who takes the faceoffs on Malkin's line. He would add leadership to the locker room, something that the Pens think was missing in the playoffs last year. Has Stanley Cup experience, don't think he will be too expensive. Worth a shot? I think so.

EDIT: But that would take an opportunity away from a younger player.
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01-08-2013, 01:17 PM
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Many people on this website think enforcers are worthless players (which I don't blame them). They don't understand that enforcers are great locker-guys that are there to protect teammates and bring momentum by fighting.
I agree, but I don't want to end up banned or something.

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01-08-2013, 01:23 PM
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Kunitz is more productive with Malkin. It's quite crazy to destroy best NHL line of the last season.

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Kunitz is more productive with Malkin. It's quite crazy to destroy best line of the last season.
How do you figure?

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Many people on this website think enforcers are worthless players (which I don't blame them). They don't understand that enforcers are great locker-guys that are there to protect teammates and bring momentum by fighting.
I just jab at you guys because it seems like you're always talking about enforcers. I totally agree with this statement above and think they have value. However, the new enforcer is the guy that can fight AND play hockey at a fairly high level. I really believe the day of the true heavyweight that can't play hockey worth a damn are winding down.

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How do you figure?
Last regular season playing with Geno he scored 26g + 35a. When did he score more?

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Kunitz is more productive with Malkin. It's quite crazy to destroy best NHL line of the last season.
Kunitz' production is not the issue here. he's the type of winger he just works with everyone. he was good with Sid, Geno and Staal.

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Last season with Geno he scored 26g + 35a. When did he score more?
Big whoop. It was one season where Crosby was out so we leaned heavily on that one scoring line. He has been very productive with Crosby too and we need balance in our top 6.

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Count me in. Still doubt one of them gets a shot like that. Both of them? Then I may give DB the benefit of the doubt when he insists that there have been system adjustments.
Bylsma will NEVER give BB a chance got to have a grinder to Help them "Get to their Game"

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