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01-08-2013, 06:01 PM
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I think Leafs fans should find a consensus on whether or not they should start trying to contend(maybe attracting a UFA like Weiss/Zajac/maybe even Getzlaf) now, or trade away their key players like Phaneuf, Lupul, etc for prospects/picks for a rebuild...again.
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I think Leafs fans should find a consensus on whether or not they should start trying to contend(maybe attracting a UFA like Weiss/Zajac/maybe even Getzlaf) now, or trade away their key players like Phaneuf, Lupul, etc for prospects/picks for a rebuild...again.
Yes because us fans have so much control over the direction of the team.

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01-08-2013, 06:06 PM
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Very disheartened by the amount of Leafs fans that actually want a deal for Luongo to happen.

I'm just disappointed.
Sorry to disappoint you.

I'm honestly on the fence whether or not getting Luongo or running with Reimer (hopefully with a vet backup) is the better course of action. I'm a big Reimer fan.

It all depends on price. If the price is right for Luongo, I'll take good goaltending in Toronto since its been awhile especially if we're trying to make the playoffs this year.

If the price is too steep I'm all aboard the Reimer train.

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You think so? Maybe.

I mean, Kadri has 19 points in 51 games. Kassian has 10 points in 44 games. Nazem Kadri has statistically outperformed Zach Kassian at every level of hockey they've played. They are different types of players and you could argue Kassian brings intangibles to the table and you'd be right, but Kadri and Kassian are closer in value in my opinion than Kassian and Gardiner. Kassian and Gardiner a wash? No. That's for damn sure.
Gardiner seems to be a good young player. He needs to develop of course one day maybe could be like Ehrhoff. Kassian has a lot further to go but his top end is similar to Lucic in my mind. Kadri i have no comparison for as if he does not get stronger on his skates his NHL future is in doubt. If he does perhaps a second line center protected from playing against the other teams best lines. He is not a sure NHL player. Kassian pretty much is, either as a third line player or above.

As for trade value if the Canucks were not that impressed by Hodgson why would they want Kadri? The Canucks would not have traded Hodgson for Kadri. If the team who gets the best player wins the trade Toronto will win it. Asking Toronto for a surefire NHL prospect is not to be unexpected. Toronto will win any Luongo trade just send back a couple useable parts.

That said i am not sure who fits the bill for Toronto.

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01-08-2013, 06:11 PM
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Yes because us fans have so much control over the direction of the team.
At least it would make it easier to have a discussion than with a fanbase that seems to have multiple-personality-disorder. "Don't sell the future!" "Playoffs FFS!" "Fire everyone!"

Whatever, I know I'm not being realistic nor fair. Carry on.

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I think Leafs fans should find a consensus on whether or not they should start trying to contend(maybe attracting a UFA like Weiss/Zajac/maybe even Getzlaf) now, or trade away their key players like Phaneuf, Lupul, etc for prospects/picks for a rebuild...again.
If fan consensus meant anything we would have begun rebuilding in the JFJ era.

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At least it would make it easier to have a discussion than with a fanbase that seems to have multiple-personality-disorder. "Don't sell the future!" "Playoffs FFS!" "Fire everyone!"

Whatever, I know I'm not being realistic nor fair. Carry on.
Honestly, can you blame us? Team direction has been extremely confusing for approaching a decade.

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01-08-2013, 06:16 PM
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[QUOTE=JATT187;57306941]Gardiner is so overrated its not even funny.


How is he overrated exactly?

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If there is a trade for Lu, the main piece coming from the Leafs is Bozak...

Bozak
Blacker
2nd
?Connolly

for

Luongo
?Random

Wouldn't the Canucks be interested in acquiring Bozak and Connolly?

Bozak/Connolly fill in the 2nd and 3rd line C roles until Kesler returns, and when he does Connolly gets shifted over to the RW where he can feed pucks to Kesler+Booth...

Sedin-Sedin-Burrows
Booth-Kesler-Connolly
Higgins-Bozak-Kassian
?-Lapierre-?
A couple of ufa centers who are more of the 2nd/3rd line tweeners we're loaded with? One who's been pumped up by Kessel & Lupul and one who's heavily overpaid and has a mellon soft as last week's cantelope?
where do i sign up?!

We could take one as a side-piece, but as a centerpiece it's absurd

The canucks need serious top 6 pieces who can contribute and/or blue chippers for the future.

If they want some tweener fill-in for Kesler they can just sign Arnott and keep the top G tandem in the league.

There's a reason Gillis asked for Gardiner, 5OA, Bozak and Frattin.
His price is not chumpchange. And yes, we're perfectly happy going with the tandem, read any of Roberto or Cory's quotes of late ...or anyone's quotes who are not T.O. Media trying to stir up discord.

With this compressed sched meaning an abundance of back to backs and 3in4nighters, a killer platoon is valuable, certainly more than UFA Bozak, sorry to be blunt.

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At least it would make it easier to have a discussion than with a fanbase that seems to have multiple-personality-disorder. "Don't sell the future!" "Playoffs FFS!" "Fire everyone!"

Whatever, I know I'm not being realistic nor fair. Carry on.
There's too many of us.

Personally, I'm a hybrid "Don't sell the future!" - "Fire everyone!"

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01-08-2013, 06:18 PM
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A couple of ufa centers who are more of the 2nd/3rd line tweeners we're loaded with? One who's been pumped up by Kessel & Lupul and one who's heavily overpaid and has a mellon soft as last week's cantelope?
where do i sign up?!

We could take one as a side-piece, but as a centerpiece it's absurd

The cancks need serious top 6 pieces who can contribute and/or blue chippers for the future.

If they want some tweener fill-in for Kesler they can just sign Arnott and keep the top G tandem in the league.

There's a reason Gillis asked for Gardiner, 5OA, Bozak and Frattin.
His pirce is not chumpchange. And yes, we're perfectly happy going with the tandem, read any of Roberto or Cory's quotes of late ...or anyone's quotes who are not T.O. Media trying to stir up discord.

With this compressed sched meaning an abndance of back to backs and 3in4nighters, a killer platoon is valuable, certainly more than UFA feaking Bozak, sorry to be blunt.
Gillis can ask for Gardiner all he wants, he's not getting him. His name even being mentioned is quite funny actually.

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At least it would make it easier to have a discussion than with a fanbase that seems to have multiple-personality-disorder. "Don't sell the future!" "Playoffs FFS!" "Fire everyone!"

Whatever, I know I'm not being realistic nor fair. Carry on.
It is a MASSIVE fanbase. Meaning there are alot of different opinions on what the direction of the team should be.

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If fan consensus meant anything we would have begun rebuilding in the JFJ era.
Pretty sure his middle name isn't ****ing.

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Ok... we're not trading him.

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I think Leafs fans should find a consensus on whether or not they should start trying to contend(maybe attracting a UFA like Weiss/Zajac/maybe even Getzlaf) now, or trade away their key players like Phaneuf, Lupul, etc for prospects/picks for a rebuild...again.
Well if you are even contemplating migrating Luongo from Vancouver to Toronto, logically speaking, you'd want to be a contender right now.

Because Luongo is not getting any younger.

The Leafs however are not a good team at all, don't really have that great of a prospect system (and likely will be reduced just to ACQUIRE Luongo), and really don't have the pieces in place to assemble anything to looks close to Vancouver.

So the window is very short....the time the Leafs have to get a contender together...and the time Luongo starts to diminish.

It doesn't make sense for Toronto.

The only people it makes sense to in our fanbase are the impatient and reckless ones, to be quite honest. Eight years without playoffs is actually causing hysterics in our fanbase but some of us rational ones realize that all these years of idiotic management doesn't mean we go and shoot ourselves in the foot with this type of transaction. Makes no sense.

And the other person it makes sense to is Brian Burke because, again in all honesty, if he doesn't make the playoffs more fans like me will be calling for his fat head on a platter...and acquiring Luongo might delay him getting tarred and feathered by the fanbase.

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what?!?

is this post for serious?
Yes. What's the problem? Bozak is a journeyman. Mediocre. Jack of all trades, master of none. Not particularly valuable.

Not going to be the centerpiece in a trade for Luongo.

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Ok... we're not trading him.
At this point I'd much rather trade Schneider if it means getting a comparable young stud forward. Let Lack develop under Luongo.

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Luongo is an elite goalie, it's a rare situation where we may be able to acquire him for below trade value because of the situation, Luongo makes us a playoff team and a more desirable destination for free agents.

I dislike the Nucks, but I'm not letting that blind me from the facts.
Hmmm...so Luongo is an elite goalie and you are offering Bozak and Blacker.

Something isn't adding up.

Either he is an elite goalie and you are paying for that...or he isn't and you are paying for that.

You're story isn't lining up.

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Ok... we're not trading him.
Agreed. How can you trade him after that??!!!???!1

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At this point I'd much rather trade Schneider if it means getting a comparable young stud forward. Let Lack develop under Luongo.
And I'd love to pay Gardiner for Schneider.

Don't see it happening though.

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And I'd love to pay Gardiner for Schneider.

Don't see it happening though.
Valuewise it's close, but we need a young forward much more than a defenseman. If we could work out a 3-way with Couturier, then maybe.

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How can Tor resist a guy with a sense of humour like Lu's? He'd be the toast of the town

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And I'd love to pay Gardiner for Schneider.

Don't see it happening though.
Try Kessel for Schneider

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Try Kessel for Schneider
Ok. I'd rather give him up than Gardiner to be honest.

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Grabovski
Kulemin
Finn

might get you Luongo and Raymond.

A deal around a journeyman 2-3 tweener like Bozak doesn't get you that package.
How is a guy who has only played for one team, a journeyman? *facepalm*

This thread is ridiculous. Reminds me of the Kaberle threads when he was on the block, suggesting he was only going to fetch a 2nd.

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