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07-26-2014, 12:01 AM
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Edm/cbj

EDM:Artemis anisimov





CBJ:jujhar kharia,1st in 2016,3rd in 2015



Not saying either team would do this just wondering if this is good value and if this is a solid trade or not

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07-26-2014, 12:05 AM
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who the hell is jujhar kharia? some prospect? we're not interested in dealing artem ansimov for prospects.

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07-26-2014, 12:07 AM
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Seems like a hefty price for the Oilers.

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who the hell is jujhar kharia? some prospect? we're not interested in dealing artem ansimov for prospects.
He's probably the Oilers best forward prospect after Draisaitl.

Big, mean power forward.

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don't know much about the 2016 draft or Jujhar Khaira but based on the simple fact that it's a 1st rounder+center prospect+3rd round pick in 2015 would lead me to believe that the value is certainly there.. just don't know if CBJ would like to part with Anisimov right now given how unproven his replacement would be (Wennberg most likely)

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Edmonton wouldn't do it. I certainly wouldn't give up that much for Anisimov.

Khaira's improved by huge amounts from being considered a waste of a draft pick to a legitimate prospect to likely top 6 center for Oklahoma next year. Kid's on a roll.

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With respect to the prospect, we are plenty fine on prospects and are in win-now mode. No thanks

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He's probably the Oilers best forward prospect after Draisaitl.

Big, mean power forward.
he was a 3rd round pick.

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With respect to the prospect, we are plenty fine on prospects and are in win-now mode. No thanks
Not saying you should do it. Just giving you an idea of who Khaira is.

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he was a 3rd round pick.
He's developed really well and made huge improvements on his skating(his biggest weakness at the draft).

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he was a 3rd round pick.
So was mark messier

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He's probably the Oilers best forward prospect after Draisaitl.

Big, mean power forward.
1 of these Centers will have to be moved eventually.
Sounds like a CBJ type of prospect to me.
If he's a LW you have a deal with me.

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He's probably the Oilers best forward prospect after Draisaitl.

Big, mean power forward.
now that is funny. He is way down everyone elses prospect chart for the oilers. extreme dark horse to be a top guy in the ahl, let alone the nhl. You see he is 6-5 and assume he will be a power forward. He has a lot of issues to take his game from where it is to where it needs to be.Even on the oilers I think he like their 15th rated prospect and the oilers do not have many prospects

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now that is funny. He is way down everyone elses prospect chart for the oilers. extreme dark horse to be a top guy in the ahl, let alone the nhl. You see he is 6-5 and assume he will be a power forward. He has a lot of issues to take his game from where it is to where it needs to be.Even on the oilers I think he like their 15th rated prospect and the oilers do not have many prospects
I think everyone knows how much stock to put into your opinions of the Oilers.

"15th rated prospect"? By who? You?

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I think very one knows how much stock to put into your opinions of the Oilers.

"15th rated prospect"? By who? You?
all pro ratings sites have him out of the top ten prospects. People are seeing the size and not the talent. And yes I have seen him play.

btw--to put the rankings of this site in perspective, he is ranked 7th or 8th a head of guys like Anton Slepyshev and Bogdan Yakimov who are ranked top a lot higher in most media rankings. With him, people see the size and not the talent, he is lacking in many areas and if he every make it to the nhl it will be when he is 25 or older

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all pro ratings sites have him out of the top ten prospects. People are seeing the size and not the talent. And yes I have seen him play.

btw--to put the rankings of this site in perspective, he is ranked 7th or 8th a head of guys like Anton Slepyshev and Bogdan Yakimov who are ranked top a lot higher in most media rankings. With him, people see the size and not the talent, he is lacking in many areas and if he every make it to the nhl it will be when he is 25 or older
Ah, ok... "Pro ratings sites"...

"Extreme darkhorse to be a top guy in the AHL"... Did you read that on one of those sites?

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I can see this sort of deal getting done in October/November if Arco/Draisatl show they can't fill that job and Wennberg shows that he can.

Khaira is a good prospect. He'd probably be in the 10-15 range on the CBJ prospect list.

I'd much prefer if it was Anisimov+ for Perron or Eberle, but its not a bad deal here.

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Way too much for Anisimov.

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07-26-2014, 11:31 AM
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Would love to get Anisimov, but there is no realistic deal to be made. Columbus have quickly vaulted themselves into contender status in the East (I think they slot into 4th behind BOS, PIT and TB). They won't subtract from their current roster without getting an upgrade, and they have a very deep prospect pool. The only guy they see making it worthwhile is Perron, and that's where I hope MacT hangs up the phone.

As for the people hating on Khaira, I assume they're only looking at the numbers. The guy doesn't project as anything more than a bottom 6 grinder/energy guy, but I think he's a lock for an NHL career. Now whether you see value in a prospect like that is your prerogative, but he is precisely the type of prospect we need to keep and develop. In a few years time - if development goes as planned - our center depth could look like this:

Nuge 6'1 185lbs (should be able to get to 190-195)
Draisaitl 6'2 209 (should be able to get to 220-225)
Yakimov 6'5 215 (should be able to get to 225-230)
Khaira 6'4 210 (should be able to get to 220-225)

Finally the proper type of center depth to compete in this division. Crossing my fingers Yak2 and Khaira pan out.

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Way too much for Anisimov.
A 3rd and Khaira aren't really worth much, and the Oilers should be out of the basement in 2016.

We're essentially talking about Anisimov for something like the 5th-20th overall, which ranges from reasonable to underpayment for Anisimov.

If I'm the Jackets I ask for a little insurance if the pick is not top 10 (a conditional 2nd, perhaps), and if I'm the Oilers I have the 1st deferred if its top 5.

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I think the OP tried hard to equalize the value, but in a way that made it bad for both sides. Columbus is going to try to build on this current core, and won't trade a 2/3C for futures, let alone a grab-bag of futures.

Unless you're a contending team at the trade deadline who can guarantee that your 1st round pick is going to be a low one, Animisov is not the type of player to be throwing away 1sts on.

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I think the OP tried hard to equalize the value, but in a way that made it bad for both sides. Columbus is going to try to build on this current core, and won't trade a 2/3C for futures, let alone a grab-bag of futures.

Unless you're a contending team at the trade deadline who can guarantee that your 1st round pick is going to be a low one, Animisov is not the type of player to be throwing away 1sts on.
Eh, you should check out the Jackets boards. The main view is that if Wennberg emerges as a middle-six C then Anisimov will be moved.

Also, Edmonton can set conditions so that their pick isn't too valuable.

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now that is funny. He is way down everyone elses prospect chart for the oilers. extreme dark horse to be a top guy in the ahl, let alone the nhl. You see he is 6-5 and assume he will be a power forward. He has a lot of issues to take his game from where it is to where it needs to be.Even on the oilers I think he like their 15th rated prospect and the oilers do not have many prospects
You have no clue what you're talking about

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This isn't that bad or a deal for Edmonton, I personally feel as though Khaira will end up being a LW. I think if the prospect was changed to someone else (musil, lander?) it would work best. Also I think the Organization will drool over this line:

Khaira-Yakimov-Moroz

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I am an Oiler fan but they are over valuing Khairi

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This isn't that bad or a deal for Edmonton, I personally feel as though Khaira will end up being a LW. I think if the prospect was changed to someone else (musil, lander?) it would work best. Also I think the Organization will drool over this line:

Khaira-Yakimov-Moroz
that could be an awesome third line...

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