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01-08-2013, 05:28 AM
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Wheeler to Chicago

What would it take?

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01-08-2013, 05:30 AM
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The Devils could use a player like Wheeler, but there's no way Winnipeg lets him go. From what Jets fans have been saying, he's been a key core/role player ever since they moved to the Peg.

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01-08-2013, 05:54 AM
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No package deal. Wheeler stepped up his game last season and looks like he can be a PPG player with the right line mates.

Patrick Sharp would be good value wise, but I think Wheeler's combination of size/skill, cheap cap hit and RFA status next season make him more valuable and extremely difficult to trade.

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01-08-2013, 08:27 AM
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RW is currently one of the Jets biggest weaknesses, and Wheeler was also one of the teams best last year.

Just can't see a scenario where the team can afford to move him.

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01-08-2013, 08:52 AM
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No package deal. Wheeler stepped up his game last season and looks like he can be a PPG player with the right line mates.

Patrick Sharp would be good value wise, but I think Wheeler's combination of size/skill, cheap cap hit and RFA status next season make him more valuable and extremely difficult to trade.
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Sharp >>> wheeler.

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01-08-2013, 09:16 AM
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No package deal. Wheeler stepped up his game last season and looks like he can be a PPG player with the right line mates.

Patrick Sharp would be good value wise, but I think Wheeler's combination of size/skill, cheap cap hit and RFA status next season make him more valuable and extremely difficult to trade.
What? In what universe is Wheeler more valuable than Sharp?

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01-08-2013, 09:18 AM
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No package deal. Wheeler stepped up his game last season and looks like he can be a PPG player with the right line mates.

Patrick Sharp would be good value wise, but I think Wheeler's combination of size/skill, cheap cap hit and RFA status next season make him more valuable and extremely difficult to trade.


Well, how about this for a proposal then. You keep Blake Wheeler, we keep Sharp.

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If you look at the list of pure RW on Winnipeg capable of playing top 6 minutes you'll find Wheeler. In fact, of all our pure RW, he is the only one who has a spot secured for this season.

Add to that that he was our top scorer last year, he's staying.

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What? In what universe is Wheeler more valuable than Sharp?
Definitely not as far as talent. The problem for Winnipeg would be that the RW position is thin and Sharp is older than Wheeler. Hurts long term to make that deal.

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Hawks fans can pee ther pants laughing all they want. Sharp's 3 seasons of around 30 goals/70 pts is very impressive. But Wheeler is a still inconsistent but improving player that was the best player on the ice for us for long stretches last year. He's the only RW we have on top of that. What's less than Sharp but "good enough" to justify trading our best forward.

Nice of people to put words in Inflict's mouth for actually saying what would work for our team...in a thread propped by a Hawks fan at that.

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01-08-2013, 11:57 AM
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If he said more valuable to 'Winnipeg', then maybe he wouldn't have been jumped on.

He made it sound like Wheeler is more valuable than Sharp in any situation.

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01-08-2013, 12:00 PM
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Yeah, saying Sharp as a return would be good value is why he got jumped on. It would take a lot more to get Sharp. If the Jets want to stay young and just ride that out, say that.

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01-08-2013, 12:02 PM
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Even still, Sharp can play RW and would probably be the Jets best player.

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01-08-2013, 12:06 PM
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I can't see why you wouldn't want Sharp instead either. The Jets would actually have a shot at the playoffs if they had Sharp on their team. You have 3 very key pieces from the Cup team with a lot of experience together too. Sharp just turned 31, that's still prime, especially since he doesn't throw his body around a lot or get labeled very often at all.

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Enter Kyle wellwood: top line RW.

Yuck. To trade Wheeler Jets need a player exactly like Wheeler coming back. He won't be traded. Not saying I wouldn't trade him, just that it would make no sense for the team trading for him to give up what the Jets would demand

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If he said more valuable to 'Winnipeg', then maybe he wouldn't have been jumped on.

He made it sound like Wheeler is more valuable than Sharp in any situation.
To clarify, the intent was that Wheeler is more valuable to Winnipeg than Sharp would be. The Hawks have no one else that they could trade that would make this deal work since the Jets are not rebuilding by trading away players in their prime.

That being said, Wheeler's value is probably way closer than you think it is. I strongly suggest watching a few Jets games to see what I mean. To put things further into perspective, Wheeler had a terrible start to the season yet finished strong. If you take out the month of October alone, they had an equal amount of points (59). If Wheeler can keep the same pace or better, he will turn out to be a slightly better player than Sharp.

Right now, the gap is a 2nd to mid round draft pick or a prospect not named Sheifele or Trouba. If Wheeler continues to perform (which his play in Europe seems to suggest) next season, there probably will be no gap.

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01-08-2013, 12:25 PM
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This is just a bad start.

There is a 0% chance that WINN wants to trade Wheeler, and he would be considered a core part of their team. Anytime you ask for that "type" of player, it should be expected that the thread is not going to go well. It would be like a Jets fans asking for what it would cost to get Toews or Kane. Just not going to happen realistically.

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01-08-2013, 12:51 PM
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I think Chicago should keep their resources to acquire a centre rather than another winger, unless Teuvo's development skyrockets him into the 2C position.

Chicago did really well drafting Saad and Shaw, plus Stalberg is underappreciated around these boards - he's one of the fastest players in the league.

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Hawks fans can pee ther pants laughing all they want. Sharp's 3 seasons of around 30 goals/70 pts is very impressive. But Wheeler is a still inconsistent but improving player that was the best player on the ice for us for long stretches last year. He's the only RW we have on top of that. What's less than Sharp but "good enough" to justify trading our best forward.

Nice of people to put words in Inflict's mouth for actually saying what would work for our team...in a thread propped by a Hawks fan at that.
But if you trade for Sharp, he'd be your best player...

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01-08-2013, 02:10 PM
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But if you trade for Sharp, he'd be your best player...
The Jets are looking to build a big and young team. Trading Wheeler for a smaller player that is five years older accomplishes none of that.

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To clarify, the intent was that Wheeler is more valuable to Winnipeg than Sharp would be. The Hawks have no one else that they could trade that would make this deal work since the Jets are not rebuilding by trading away players in their prime.

That being said, Wheeler's value is probably way closer than you think it is. I strongly suggest watching a few Jets games to see what I mean. To put things further into perspective, Wheeler had a terrible start to the season yet finished strong. If you take out the month of October alone, they had an equal amount of points (59). If Wheeler can keep the same pace or better, he will turn out to be a slightly better player than Sharp.

Right now, the gap is a 2nd to mid round draft pick or a prospect not named Sheifele or Trouba. If Wheeler continues to perform (which his play in Europe seems to suggest) next season, there probably will be no gap.
Sharp has been putting up 60+ point seasons for years, Wheeler has done it once.
Sharp is alo the better defensive player.

The gap is a lot larger than a 2nd round pick.

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Sharp has been putting up 60+ point seasons for years, Wheeler has done it once.
Sharp is alo the better defensive player.

The gap is a lot larger than a 2nd round pick.
That doesn't matter to a team that is building. The Jets aren't going to chase a player like Sharp right now. I don't really understand any of the threads here that assume the Jets will be dealing young players. That doesn't at all fall within their plan. The Jets conversely are a team that will dump the occasional old vet in exchange for draft picks at the deadline, just like when they dumped Oduya to the Hawks last season.


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The Jets are looking to build a big and young team. Trading Wheeler for a smaller player that is five years older accomplishes none of that.
Sure, I get that. But saying we can't trade him, he's our best forward whilst receiving an even better one...

I think Winnipeg isn't far from leaping into middle of the pack playoff team. An upgrade like Sharp would do that.

That said, I'd be livid as a Hawks fan if the trade went down.

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Do you guys need any help on D this year? Because we may just have a slightly used Ron Hainsey to move at the deadline if you are interested, but regardless, ya' aren't getting Wheeler. Sorry.

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We have more than enough D. We'll be trading someone if anything.

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