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09-08-2012, 05:54 PM
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Cory Schneider

Frankly I'm sick of seeing all the Luongo proposals going around, I'd honestly prefer to trade Schneider at this point if any hockey deal that is actually in place is even remotely close to some I've seen around here.

Schneider actually makes more sense to trade from a pure hockey perspective, because 1) He will garner a better return for us to win now.
2) He isn't on a lifetime contract
3) He doesn't have a NTC
4) It is extremely likely either Lack or Cannata will be able to follow a similar development curve
5) I'm sick of seeing Luongo talked down(well, maybe that's not that good a reason, but still...)

Ideally we'd be looking for a young top-6 winger with with similar upside. Maybe in a package for E. Kane? For Yakupov? Maybe if Washington's tandem of Holtby/Neuvirth collapses someone like Kuznetsov or Forsberg?

What would you be willing to trade for a budding young goalie, who, in the words of Roberto Luongo, will "Probably win a few Vezinas?"

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until the nooks move Luongo they will not move Schneider

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JVR + Conditional 1st (2013) *If the Leafs make the playoffs, if not then it turns into a 2nd

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JVR + Conditional 1st (2013) *If the Leafs make the playoffs, if not then it turns into a 2nd
I would actually be okay with this, I made a similar proposal a while back that got shot down by most Leafs fans. However I would rather have one very good piece than 2 pretty good pieces, but still, an offer I would definitely consider.

I do think we could get better offers, though, but we'll see.

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It could happen but I think the time for that was before he was re-signed. If that was the plan they should have been very firm in the decision to keep luongo and trade shneider for a high pick at the draft.

Keep both and tell luongo to suck it up and play until a suitable deal can be reached. It's not a bad option really, luongo won't be ecstatic but he'll understand.

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It could happen but I think the time for that was before he was re-signed. If that was the plan they should have been very firm in the decision to keep luongo and trade shneider for a high pick at the draft.

Keep both and tell luongo to suck it up and play until a suitable deal can be reached. It's not a bad option really, luongo won't be ecstatic but he'll understand.
If anything the fact he's re-signed makes him more valuable, because a team like Edmonton or Columbus won't have to worry about him leaving in a year.

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id expect a very valuable prospect such as johansen from cbj, or gardiner from the leafs. someone that can develop into, or is already a top 6 forward,top 4 d-man or a 1st rounder. schneider will be a vezina nominee and possibly winner if he continues his stellar play so i expect something equally as valuable as that in return

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JVR + Conditional 1st (2013) *If the Leafs make the playoffs, if not then it turns into a 2nd
no thank you, jvr needs to prove he can play a whole season injury free especially if the 1st is conditional.

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JVR + Conditional 1st (2013) *If the Leafs make the playoffs, if not then it turns into a 2nd
No thank you, Schneider is worth a lot more than jvr imo, and a 2nd doesn't even it out

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If the Nucks decide to shop Schneider, I think a team is going to have to overpay. The number of teams who'd have interest in him would be a lot more than teams interested in Luongo. Some teams I think would be interested: Edm, Tor, NYI, Chi, SJ, CBJ and NJ (if Brodeur is planning on hanging them up soon).

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To Tampa:
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no thank you, jvr needs to prove he can play a whole season injury free especially if the 1st is conditional.
Agreed. Huge risk for Vancouver trading Schneider for JVR IMO.

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We don't really have any need for Lindback, though, and now that Tampa's acquired him I think they'll wait to see how he pans out.

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Agreed. Huge risk for Vancouver trading Schneider for JVR IMO.
That's true. I am slightly high on JVR, but I think that the amount of risk on him is more than on Schneider.

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To anyone interested in Schneider, why not Brian Elliott instead ?

Elliot is just one year older. His cap hit is only 1 800 000$ He did better statistically last season in a more offensive division than the Northwest. He have more NHL experience and experience as a number 01.

And it would probably take less asset to acquire him.

And if you think Elliot performance is all about St-louis defense....then what is the point to have a good goalie if the defense is what matter?

We should also not forget that Schneider play in the weakest offensive division, behind 3 defensemen who got vote for the Norris and a 2011 selke nominee. If you beleive that goalie stats are influenced by the team in front of them and the opposition a goalie face, then schneider is one of the most advantaged goalie of the league. Playoff ? Schneider faced the Kings who had the second worst offensive of the league. The king made almost any goalie look good all season long.

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To anyone interested in Schneider, why not Brian Elliott instead ?

Elliot is just one year older. His cap hit is only 1 800 000$ He did better statistically last season in a more offensive division than the Northwest. He have more NHL experience and experience as a number 01.

And it would probably take less asset to acquire him.

And if you think Elliot performance is all about St-louis defense....then what is the point to have a good goalie if the defense is what matter?

We should also not forget that Schneider play in the weakest offensive division, behind 3 defensemen who got vote for the Norris and a 2011 selke nominee. If you beleive that goalie stats are influenced by the team in front of them and the opposition a goalie face, then schneider is one of the most advantaged goalie of the league. Playoff ? Schneider faced the Kings who had the second worst offensive of the league. The king made almost any goalie look good all season long.
1) Elliot(or Halak) aren't being shopped
2) Elliot played behind the best defense/defensive system in the league
3) Elliot got lit up in the playoffs(against those god-awful Kings)
4) Even if one team did get Elliot, there would still be a lot of teams interested in Schneider.

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If the Nucks decide to shop Schneider, I think a team is going to have to overpay. The number of teams who'd have interest in him would be a lot more than teams interested in Luongo. Some teams I think would be interested: Edm, Tor, NYI, Chi, SJ, CBJ and NJ (if Brodeur is planning on hanging them up soon).
Not really for the CBJ. Schneider, as awesome as he's been in limited time, is unproven as a starter. Normally that wouldn't be such a serious issue, but that limited-time-awesomeness means his price would be relatively stratospheric - as though he was already a record-setting starter.

Basically, he'd cost us more than what we'd be willing to pay.

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That's true. I am slightly high on JVR, but I think that the amount of risk on him is more than on Schneider.
Yeah I think Schneider is more of a sure thing than JVR, that being said JVR will be a very good player for the leafs if he can stay healthy.

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Umm... Haha?

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Not really for the CBJ. Schneider, as awesome as he's been in limited time, is unproven as a starter. Normally that wouldn't be such a serious issue, but that limited-time-awesomeness means his price would be relatively stratospheric - as though he was already a record-setting starter.

Basically, he'd cost us more than what we'd be willing to pay.
O ya. I totally see what you're saying. I was just saying who I thought would be interested. I know it would prob take more than what you guys would be willing to give up, but I think he would be a good candidate to "start over" in net.

I know TB just traded for a goalie, they'd be a good dark horse team if Schnieder gets dealt.

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To anyone interested in Schneider, why not Brian Elliott instead ?

Elliot is just one year older. His cap hit is only 1 800 000$ He did better statistically last season in a more offensive division than the Northwest. He have more NHL experience and experience as a number 01.

And it would probably take less asset to acquire him.

And if you think Elliot performance is all about St-louis defense....then what is the point to have a good goalie if the defense is what matter?

We should also not forget that Schneider play in the weakest offensive division, behind 3 defensemen who got vote for the Norris and a 2011 selke nominee. If you beleive that goalie stats are influenced by the team in front of them and the opposition a goalie face, then schneider is one of the most advantaged goalie of the league. Playoff ? Schneider faced the Kings who had the second worst offensive of the league. The king made almost any goalie look good all season long.
Brian Elliot had an amazing season last year for sure, but he played behind a much better defensively structured team in St. Louis. Look at his numbers with the Avalanche the year before. What about his numbers with the Sens the year before that? In his defense though, the teams he played on before weren't the greatest.

Mike Smith also had great numbers last year but like Elliot played with a very defensive minded team. See the trend?

If you watched as many games as I did of the Canucks last year you'll know that our goalies had a big impact on our GA. Our Selke calibre center didn't have a great year. Sure Bieksa, Hamhuis, and Edler all recieved Norris votes, but so did Shattenkirk and Pietrangelo. In fact, Pietrangelo recieved more votes than the three Canuck defensemen put together. You also mention that Kings offense made Schneider look good, they sure made Elliot look mediocre.

It's very possible that Elliot is just now starting to find his groove with St. Louis, but until he can prove that he can play behind a less defensive minded team and put up similar numbers he is not better than Schneider.

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If the Nucks decide to shop Schneider, I think a team is going to have to overpay. The number of teams who'd have interest in him would be a lot more than teams interested in Luongo. Some teams I think would be interested: Edm, Tor, NYI, Chi, SJ, CBJ and NJ (if Brodeur is planning on hanging them up soon).
I'll have to disagree. The isles like the way Nabakov played for them last season and are very happy to have him to carry the load this season.

Nilson+ Poulin are developing well in Bridgeport. I don't think Snow would have any interest in getting into the mix for Schneider or Luongo.

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I'll have to disagree. The isles like the way Nabakov played for them last season and are very happy to have him to carry the load this season.

Nilson+ Poulin are developing well in Bridgeport. I don't think Snow would have any interest in getting into the mix for Schneider or Luongo.
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