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01-10-2013, 12:31 AM
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I wonder If Bouwmeester was on another team besides the Flames would you Oiler fans be trashing him so hard?? I'm not saying Bouwmeester is the best defenseman ever I'm trying to say that he would be the best if not 2nd to Whitney on the Oilers. Gagner isn't so good either not saying hes bad but having "1" big game doesn't suddenly increase his value...

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01-10-2013, 12:32 AM
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You would bring up a video from a former Oiler player. Peca was a mediocre player.
This is completely irrelevant, but Mike Peca was far from a mediocre hockey player. At his best he was a world class two-way player that could shut down anyone in the league and still put up 60 points.

Anyways, I would love to have Bouwmeester on the Oilers. I truly would. But they can't afford to give up Sam Gagner for him sadly. Not because the value is unfair or anything but because in terms of position on the team there is absolutely ZERO behind Gagner down the middle in terms of offensive production but on the team and in the system. It just is not feasable to go into next year with Horcoff and Belanger as the teams 2/3 centers.

But I tell you...

Smid-Petry
Bouwmeester-J. Schultz
Whitney-N. Schultz

That would just make me very happy. 4 guys who can move the puck up the ice quickly and enough defensive capability to cover up for the rookie mistakes of Justin Schultz. I wish there was a way to make it happen. The pieces aren't there to make it worthwhile for either team sadly.

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01-10-2013, 01:05 AM
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hahaha once again someone who looks at paper stats. Who was Smid's partner? Was Smid matched up consitantly agains the Malkin's / Stamko's of the league? blah blah blah
Yes... He was.

As for the rest, you better keep him then.

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01-10-2013, 01:22 AM
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No, its his Minutes per Game and his ability to take just about anyone (Butler as an example) onto his pairing make them look better. Bouwmeester may be overpaid, under producing and soft but one thing he does really well is slow down the game for the rest of the line, and makes his defensive partner look great. I don't think Smid has those abilities to the same degree as Bouwmeester. Smid is obviously less soft and not overpaid like Bouw however.
I think all of your post is true... But I still wouldn't trade Gagner or Smid for him, let alone both (pfft Stajan!)

You know who is the perfect pair for Bouw? A guy with great physical tools and a cannon... Like Phaneuf! Too bad Feaster forgot about Cap when building his team

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01-10-2013, 01:30 AM
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You would bring up a video from a former Oiler player. Peca was a mediocre player.
Mike Peca... The undersized centerman who hit like a truck, was a repeat selke trophy winner and captained his team to within a game of the Stanley Cup... He's your example of a mediocre player?


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01-10-2013, 02:13 AM
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I think all of your post is true... But I still wouldn't trade Gagner or Smid for him, let alone both (pfft Stajan!)

You know who is the perfect pair for Bouw? A guy with great physical tools and a cannon... Like Phaneuf! Too bad Feaster forgot about Cap when building his team
Sadly, yes Phaneuf would be an ideal partner for Jbouw.

Phaneuf was traded to Toronto by D Sutter, Feaster had nothing to do with it btw.

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01-10-2013, 04:13 AM
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Hes the only D on the team that can really log those kind of minutes and hes been doing it since he arrived. Its probably part of the reason why his offense dried up, on a team like Chicago if he was on the second pairing, I think we would see his production jump back up a bit.
The other part was him being stifled by Sutter, I suspect Hartley will loosen the reins on him,along with most of the team.

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01-10-2013, 05:44 AM
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Yes i'm sure Peca has a vendetta against Bouwmeester, and all Flames, due to having been an Oiler for a year.

Peca wasn't mediocre in Buffalo or Long Island. He was an above average player, and he played a key role in getting two teams to the Stanley Cup finals.
And losing. Guess he just couldn't get the job done. What a loser.

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01-10-2013, 06:37 AM
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I wonder If Bouwmeester was on another team besides the Flames would you Oiler fans be trashing him so hard?? I'm not saying Bouwmeester is the best defenseman ever I'm trying to say that he would be the best if not 2nd to Whitney on the Oilers. Gagner isn't so good either not saying hes bad but having "1" big game doesn't suddenly increase his value...
I dunno? Maybe a better question is if Flames fans supported Bouwmeester so strongly before he was a flame... I know solid yet unspectacular and overpaid veterans get crucified in Edmonton. Apparently in Calgary that same organizational detriment is highly valued. Perhaps Toronto is a better trade partner in this case. Long history of collecting overpaid, over hyped and over the hill players.

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01-10-2013, 10:01 AM
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I dunno? Maybe a better question is if Flames fans supported Bouwmeester so strongly before he was a flame... I know solid yet unspectacular and overpaid veterans get crucified in Edmonton. Apparently in Calgary that same organizational detriment is highly valued. Perhaps Toronto is a better trade partner in this case. Long history of collecting overpaid, over hyped and over the hill players.
Ouch!

It is true though, solid but 'overpaid' soldiers get no love in Edmonton. Edmonton fans have always had a blue collar mentality in this regard... blame it on "small-market-itis" that they were fed during the Sather years.

Heck, even Peca... who I and other Oiler fans have defended in this post got no love when he was an oiler... that is until the playoffs when his experience became a more visible asset.

You know, the biggest irony of the 'anti-Peca' sentiment during the regular season of 2006 was this: a big part of the argument was that HORCOFF and Stoll were providing more offence, equal defence and overall better value than Peca and his $4M salary.

We all know how that played out.

Anyway, Jay Bo fans... don't take it personally. Most oil fans here aren't saying Jay Bo is a useless player, just that we wouldn't give up valuable assets for a guy providing that equation of bang-for-buck. Especially when i) we create big holes in the process and ii) we add to future anticipated cap constraints.

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01-10-2013, 10:28 AM
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Boumeester would instantly become Edmontons #1 D.

Im guessing the Oilers fans saying he has 0 value are also the one saying that Yakupov is a first line NHL'r and will be a 50 goal scorer soon.


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01-10-2013, 10:43 AM
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Boumeester would instantly become Edmontons #1 D.

Im guessing the Oilers fans saying he has 0 value are also the one saying that Yakupov is a first line NHL'r and will be a 50 goal scorer soon.


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Who said he has 0 value? His contract can't be ignored, especially when we have young guys to re-sign.

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01-10-2013, 10:43 AM
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Boumeester would instantly become Edmontons #1 D.

Im guessing the Oilers fans saying he has 0 value are also the one saying that Yakupov is a first line NHL'r and will be a 50 goal scorer soon.


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It doesn't matter if he would be Edmonton's #1 defenseman or not, which is in itself debatable. The fact is that he doesn't bring what the Oilers would need out of a defenseman we would acquire. We don`t need a smooth skating penalty killer, we need either a powerplay specialist (which we may have in J. Schultz or a healthy Whitney) or another shut down veteran who plays gritty. Bouwmeester brings the same qualities we already have on our blueline. And no intangibles. Why would we give up a piece that we do need for one that is redundant (and expensive)?

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01-10-2013, 10:51 AM
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Peca probably played less then 10 games against Jbouw as Jbouw was with the Panthers from 2006 to the time Peca retired. That sure is a good sample to judge a player that was new in the league. Peca was not a star in the NHL.
You realize that Peca played in the East for most of his career as well, right? They played in the same conference from 02/03 to 05/06 and then again in Peca's short season with Toronto in 06/07. I don't think 10 games is right, and even if so, that's probably a big enough sample size to see what his game was like.

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01-10-2013, 10:54 AM
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You realize that Peca played in the East for most of his career as well, right? They played in the same conference from 02/03 to 05/06 and then again in Peca's short season with Toronto in 06/07. I don't think 10 games is right, and even if so, that's probably a big enough sample size to see what his game was like.
I have shown this before Peca had 1 or 2 points and was ~-5 against Jbo and the Panthers while Jbo had ~7 points and was a ~+3 in around 10 games (due to injuries), even if he found it easy to play Jbo outplayed him and helped his team win unlike Peca so clearly Jbo's style worked versus Peca.

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01-10-2013, 11:08 AM
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I wonder If Bouwmeester was on another team besides the Flames would you Oiler fans be trashing him so hard?? I'm not saying Bouwmeester is the best defenseman ever I'm trying to say that he would be the best if not 2nd to Whitney on the Oilers. Gagner isn't so good either not saying hes bad but having "1" big game doesn't suddenly increase his value...
Well, I can disprove your first question by disagreeing with the rest of your post; I think Smid is better than Whitney. So, it's not just that I think Smid is better than JBo because they are Oilers and Flames respectively. I just really value Smid and would never trade him for JBo. I would rather do Whitney for JBo, even if that makes little sense for either team.

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01-10-2013, 12:24 PM
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Good players can be on bad teams, great players are never on bad teams.
Ovechkin in Washington?

Crosby/Malkin in Pittsburgh?

Hossa/Kovalchuk in Atlanta?




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01-10-2013, 12:41 PM
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I have shown this before Peca had 1 or 2 points and was ~-5 against Jbo and the Panthers while Jbo had ~7 points and was a ~+3 in around 10 games (due to injuries), even if he found it easy to play Jbo outplayed him and helped his team win unlike Peca so clearly Jbo's style worked versus Peca.


Peca is an idiot, and this comes up in EVERY SINGLE BOUWMEESTER THREAD. Until someone comes in and says what you just said.

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01-10-2013, 12:42 PM
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You would bring up a video from a former Oiler player. Peca was a mediocre player.
Who won a major award pretty mediocre

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Who won a major award pretty mediocre
It happens. Jonathan Cheechoo and the Rocket Richard.

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It happens. Jonathan Cheechoo and the Rocket Richard.
And yet JBow has won what? How many playoff appearances? This isn't so much a reply to you directly. Just simply to the topic at hand, and the continual overvaluing of a solid but no where near elite player that is overpaid and overvalued. Obviously this situation isn't unique to any fan base. It's just a general statement about self serving opinions and the great point about JC. I'd submit Peca accomplished a great deal more in his career than being a flash in a pan year of Cheechoo however.

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01-10-2013, 06:19 PM
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You would bring up a video from a former Oiler player. Peca was a mediocre player.
Peca was a better player than Bouw has ever been.

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01-11-2013, 01:10 AM
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Bouwmeesters history of losing and not making the playoffs is on par with Flames ability to make it past the first round of the playoffs.

The Oilers don't need any more soft defenseman like him..if anything, they could use someone who can play with an edge and knows what it takes to win.

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Bouwmeesters history of losing and not making the playoffs is on par with Flames ability to make it past the first round of the playoffs.
Do Oilers fans have the right to mock other teams about anything, ever?

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Bouwmeesters history of losing and not making the playoffs is on par with Flames ability to make it past the first round of the playoffs.
That's an awfully funny statement to make considering your teams recent success's.

Since 1999, the Oilers have advanced past the first round one time in five attempts.
Since 1999, the Flames have advanced past the first round one time in five attempts.

Would you Imagine that. I guess he would be a perfect fit then eh?

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