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01-09-2013, 01:00 AM
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He definitely could be.
How available is he? Like Ballard straight up? Or a lot more?

I like his skill set and his attitude.

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I think it would take more for a kid at his age and potential. He's an absolute beauty on the PK as the forechecker, which isn't that common for his age.

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01-09-2013, 01:45 AM
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WOW. Kane is elite. We'd have to be sending Kesler + to get Kane in return. I'm sure Winnipeg could get a much better return from other teams anyways. Apologies Jets fans.


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01-09-2013, 02:01 AM
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Yes. Kane scored 30 goals last year as a 20 year old. He's only going to improve. You just don't trade a budding star for a two way forward like Kesler unless you're sure he'll exceed expectations in the offensive role. While I'm sure Kesler would do well in Winnipeg, he's largely benefited from playing with the Sedin's on the powerplay for the past couple of years. His stats are inflated.

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And what do you consider Kesler?
I consider him to be a solid two way player who is good for 25 goals and 30 assists a season. I can easily see Kane topping those numbers during his career.

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01-09-2013, 02:03 AM
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Yes. Kane scored 30 goals last year as a 20 year old. He's only going to improve. You just don't trade a budding star for a two way forward like Kesler unless you're sure he'll exceed expectations in the offensive role. While I'm sure Kesler would do well in Winnipeg, he's largely benefited from playing with the Sedin's on the powerplay for the past couple of years. His stats are inflated.



I consider him to be a solid two way player who is good for 25 goals and 30 assists a season. I can easily see Kane topping those numbers during his career.
And will Evander Kane ever play on the PK? or even be close to Kesler's defensive play?

No.

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I consider him to be a solid two way player who is good for 25 goals and 30 assists a season. I can easily see Kane topping those numbers during his career.
He's posted those numbers in an injury-shortened season while playing a good chunk of it with a separated shoulder. Kesler's standard is closer to ~65 points while giving Selke caliber defense. There's a reason why GM's drool over guys like RK17, Bergeron, Richards, etc. - they do a whole lot more than just put up points.

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01-09-2013, 02:37 AM
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This would be a good offer for Kane...... If he just had his legs amputated!
That is a really amusing mental image for some reason

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And will Evander Kane ever play on the PK? or even be close to Kesler's defensive play?

No.
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He's posted those numbers in an injury-shortened season while playing a good chunk of it with a separated shoulder. Kesler's standard is closer to ~65 points while giving Selke caliber defense. There's a reason why GM's drool over guys like RK17, Bergeron, Richards, etc. - they do a whole lot more than just put up points.
Fair enough. But personally I would value Kane's potential outburst in offensive production to Kesler's Selke worthy play. Also Kane is a winger, so you can't compare his defensive play to Kesler's as naturally a center would carry a much heavier burden.

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01-09-2013, 02:41 AM
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My god. Is David booth even capable of playing in an offensive role anymore?
Yeah he is still a good player, but the deal is absolutely brutal.

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Booth and Schroeder? for Kane

if not what?
Kesler for Kane is more like it.

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01-09-2013, 03:34 AM
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And will Evander Kane ever play on the PK? or even be close to Kesler's defensive play?

No.
Evander Kane has already played on the PK and was fairly effective there (in ATL, didn't play PK in WPG)...
Being good defensively or two-way doesn't always equate to good PK, nor the opposite.
Kane is good on PK because of his speed and attack...

That said I agree Kane is unlikely to be as good defensively as Kesler...
I say unlikely because a good many young offense only stars translate to a two-way game as they get older, so never say never.

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01-09-2013, 03:36 AM
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He's posted those numbers in an injury-shortened season while playing a good chunk of it with a separated shoulder. Kesler's standard is closer to ~65 points while giving Selke caliber defense. There's a reason why GM's drool over guys like RK17, Bergeron, Richards, etc. - they do a whole lot more than just put up points.
Thank you for being realistic about Kesler's point totals...
I get sick and tired when people 41 goal season as his standard and not the exception...

That said... I agree that GM's do drool over guys like that. But, they also drool over elite scoring... There are very few post lockout 30 goal scoring young youngin's

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01-09-2013, 03:43 AM
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Of course you do, but that doesn't mean the value isn't there. I'd definitely say that is close.

It doesn't make any sense for the canucks to do it though, at all. Without Kesler the canucks are terrible in the playoffs.
Not even close. One's a proven centerman who can log big minutes in any situations.

The other's a young winger with one good season under his belt and a range of character and on-ice issues.

Kesler is worth Kane+

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01-09-2013, 03:49 AM
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Yes. Kane scored 30 goals last year as a 20 year old. He's only going to improve. You just don't trade a budding star for a two way forward like Kesler unless you're sure he'll exceed expectations in the offensive role. While I'm sure Kesler would do well in Winnipeg, he's largely benefited from playing with the Sedin's on the powerplay for the past couple of years. His stats are inflated.
Actually his highest point total (75) Came in 2009-10 and that was before he was on the PP with the Sedins (Wellwood was) He was on the 2nd PP. His stats are reflective of his skill not luck.

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01-09-2013, 03:59 AM
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I wouldn't trade Kesler for Kane, not that I'd scoff at the value.

Winnipeg won't give us Kane for Booth, Schroeder, +. I can't believe that was even proposed. Thanks to Jets fans, who haven't burned this thread down.

I don't consider Kane "elite", but that is my interpretation of the word. He is certainly capable of getting there, and a 30 goal season is nothing to brush off as luck or coincidence. However, without getting into a whizzing contest, as he is, and will be, a very good player, I just don't see him as, say, top 5 or even 10 at his position yet. His value is super high though, and personally, I would be unable to give up the quality piece (s) Winnipeg's fans would want, as awesome as it would be to have the hometown boy back in our city.

No Kesler, no Sedins, no Hamhuis, and Edler is as is.

I really don't see us agreeing to a deal either side would actually do, as I know Kesler would likely be the basis from our side, likely with additions to each side (ie Antropov for Ballard+ or something, not for value). So I politely take my leave, and wish both Kane and the Jets as a whole a very good season.

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01-09-2013, 04:20 AM
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I wouldn't trade Kesler for Kane, not that I'd scoff at the value.

Winnipeg won't give us Kane for Booth, Schroeder, +. I can't believe that was even proposed. Thanks to Jets fans, who haven't burned this thread down.

I don't consider Kane "elite", but that is my interpretation of the word. He is certainly capable of getting there, and a 30 goal season is nothing to brush off as luck or coincidence. However, without getting into a whizzing contest, as he is, and will be, a very good player, I just don't see him as, say, top 5 or even 10 at his position yet. His value is super high though, and personally, I would be unable to give up the quality piece (s) Winnipeg's fans would want, as awesome as it would be to have the hometown boy back in our city.

No Kesler, no Sedins, no Hamhuis, and Edler is as is.

I really don't see us agreeing to a deal either side would actually do, as I know Kesler would likely be the basis from our side, likely with additions to each side (ie Antropov for Ballard+ or something, not for value). So I politely take my leave, and wish both Kane and the Jets as a whole a very good season.
While I get what you're saying and pretty much agree with you 100% Kane was actually top 5 for LWers in goals per minute of icetime... so he is top5 of something in his position (with 30+ games played).

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This is now, officially, the WORST trade proposal I have ever seen. Jets decline and reply back with Hainsey and Antropov for Kassian just to send a big **** you back the other way.

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01-09-2013, 12:24 PM
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While I get what you're saying and pretty much agree with you 100% Kane was actually top 5 for LWers in goals per minute of icetime... so he is top5 of something in his position (with 30+ games played).
Over one year is all. Again, Kane is a special player, but one season does not an elite player make. It's the same thing as calling Kesler an elite scorer for one 40 goal season. Will Kane repeat his success? I have little doubt, but until he does, I'd say he's just oozing skill and potential, but isn't there as of this sentence.

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This is now, officially, the WORST trade proposal I have ever seen. Jets decline and reply back with Hainsey and Antropov for Kassian just to send a big **** you back the other way.
I think...I think the OP is still worse for value

Hainsey and Antropov are collectively about as valuable as Booth and Schroeder methinks, and I'd say Kane beats Kassian for value...so...all three for all three?

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Fair enough. But personally I would value Kane's potential outburst in offensive production to Kesler's Selke worthy play. Also Kane is a winger, so you can't compare his defensive play to Kesler's as naturally a center would carry a much heavier burden.
So Kesler being a centre and having a harder work load is a negative compared to Kane?

Valuewise it might be close due to injury concerns, but there's no way we'd add to Kesler to get Kane. I also don't think Kane will significantly improve as he ages from where he is now. Crash-and-bang goal scorers generally do better in their first few years in the league as opposed to gradually trending upwards, imo.

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Not even close. One's a proven centerman who can log big minutes in any situations.

The other's a young winger with one good season under his belt and a range of character and on-ice issues.

Kesler is worth Kane+
Yea...no he's not. I have a very realistic view if how much Kane is worth, I'm not even a huge fan of his...but with Kesler's injuries the value is equal.

Like I said, no way Vancouver would do that though, and that's fine. But lets not be ******** and say that Kesler is worth more...because he's not.

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Jets need top 6 or top 4 left-handed D, and wouldn't take bad contracts. No deal to be made here IMO.

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A player who's scored 40 goals. Seems pretty obvious.

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Kane has serious character issues ...do not want. I know him first hand. Been out with him many times and can't tell you how many confrontations I've seen from him. Absolute headcase ...he'll never become the player he was supposed to be.

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