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01-14-2013, 10:36 AM
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Something bigger would likely involve giving up a significant piece.
Sidney Crosby could be on waivers and Tambo would probably hmmm and haw about the possibilities. Then at the end of the day he would end up getting his waiver claim in minutes too late because he just wasn't sure how he'd fit.

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01-14-2013, 10:39 AM
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Sidney Crosby could be on waivers and Tambo would probably hmmm and haw about the possibilities. Then at the end of the day he would end up getting his waiver claim in minutes too late because he just wasn't sure how he'd fit.
True, because we've seen Tambellini past on elite waiver players before, right.

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01-14-2013, 10:47 AM
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Anyone else a bit surprised TB didn't pick up Foster? Team struggling for points from the back end, who had success with this guy in the past. Would think for less than a mil it's a no brainer risk by a GM.

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01-14-2013, 10:48 AM
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True, because we've seen Tambellini past on elite waiver players before, right.
hey now... dont try to take away opportunities for us to take shots at Tambo.

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01-14-2013, 10:52 AM
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Anyone else a bit surprised TB didn't pick up Foster? Team struggling for points from the back end, who had success with this guy in the past. Would think for less than a mil it's a no brainer risk by a GM.
He played there before here. So obviously they knew to avoid him.
One of Tambellini's better moves was dumping Foster for Sutton.

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01-14-2013, 10:53 AM
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Really, dude. You said the new rules make him a more attractive asset. Edmonton aside with the cap ceiling decreasing the majority of teams showing interest will likely have to be very cautious in not over spending this year and allocating a surplus of funds for future signings. I don't know how this point I've presented doesn't apply to the first part of your statement.
You said it would create a hindrance in signing our young guns. After I said a trade to Edmonton shouldn't happen.

Yes the cap has gone down, but keep in mind when Luongo was signed the cap was at 56.8 million. And under the new CBA rules if a player like Luongo retires before his contract is up the Canucks are on the hook for his salary. As well as 100% of his salary doesn't have to go to the new team now in trades.

So yes, aside from the cap going down, the new CBA has some rules that can make a trade for him more appealing.

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What would you guys think of trading for Bernier out of LA? Have Dubnyk and Bernier as our 1A and 1B?

Khabbi can be sent down to the AHL for the remaining of the season, or dumped to someone who isn't competing this year and just needs a back up for the 48 games.

Not that this should mean anything but Dubnyk played great in the Spengler when Bernier was pushing him for the job..I don't know if he will get that same push from Khabbi this year..

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01-14-2013, 10:56 AM
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He played there before here. So obviously they knew to avoid him.
One of Tambellini's better moves was dumping Foster for Sutton.
He had 42 points for them. They also had a bottom 5 PP, one that was 8th when he was there. Not saying he's the answer, but for less than a mil you should be taking that chance. What's the worse that can happen? He goes to your AHL affiliate?

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What would you guys think of trading for Bernier out of LA? Have Dubnyk and Bernier as our 1A and 1B?

Khabbi can be sent down to the AHL for the remaining of the season, or dumped to someone who isn't competing this year and just needs a back up for the 48 games.

Not that this should mean anything but Dubnyk played great in the Spengler when Bernier was pushing him for the job..I don't know if he will get that same push from Khabbi this year..
Bernier pushed him for the job? Didn't Bernier play like crap and then Dubnyk took over for him?

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What would you guys think of trading for Bernier out of LA? Have Dubnyk and Bernier as our 1A and 1B?

Khabbi can be sent down to the AHL for the remaining of the season, or dumped to someone who isn't competing this year and just needs a back up for the 48 games.

Not that this should mean anything but Dubnyk played great in the Spengler when Bernier was pushing him for the job..I don't know if he will get that same push from Khabbi this year..
so give up a solid asset to acquire Bernier... waive Khabibulin and pay him 3M+ to play in the AHL. What happens when Bernier hits free agency after this season and wants starting role and starting money?
We have signed Dubnyk to starting money... Lets wait and see how he handles this role before brining in his replacement.

Also, people forget but Khabi was excellent his first month last year. By excellent I mean 1.00 GAA and 0.97sav% through first 10 games. I am sure he is not ready to give up yet and will be pushin Dubnyk.

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You said it would create a hindrance in signing our young guns. After I said a trade to Edmonton shouldn't happen.

Yes the cap has gone down, but keep in mind when Luongo was signed the cap was at 56.8 million. And under the new CBA rules if a player like Luongo retires before his contract is up the Canucks are on the hook for his salary. As well as 100% of his salary doesn't have to go to the new team now in trades.

So yes, aside from the cap going down, the new CBA has some rules that can make a trade for him more appealing.
I believe both teams would be on the hook if he retired early according to the new CBA. Vancouver would pay for their cap savings in his first years under the contract and whatever team picks him up would be on the hook for the cap saving for the years they have him.

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01-14-2013, 11:06 AM
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Bernier would be too pricey I think. Other teams around the league would give up more than the "spare parts" the Oilers would likely give up. What does Edmonton have (outside the obvious players they won't part with) that the Kings would want in return for Bernier?

On top of that I don't think Bernier is better than Dubby. 1A and 1B... could just as likely turn into 2 decent backup quality goalies if they split the workload here together. You could certainly make the argument that both Dubnyk and Bernier have been stalled somewhat by not giving them more playing time on their respective teams. Putting them together wouldn't solve that if they split the starts.

Dubnyk needs to be ridden as the full time starter to see what he's got in this shortened season. If he doesn't cut it then look for options this summer when they obviously have to find a replacement for Khabi as well.

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01-14-2013, 11:11 AM
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Is Colton Teubert any good. Ottawa is looking for RD and Edmotnon could use a good young goalie to help Dubnyk.


Ott: Tuebert
Edm: Bishop

Two big guys fill a need, both unproven and still young, might help both clubs.

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01-14-2013, 11:17 AM
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He had 42 points for them. They also had a bottom 5 PP, one that was 8th when he was there. Not saying he's the answer, but for less than a mil you should be taking that chance. What's the worse that can happen? He goes to your AHL affiliate?
Yes, but that season was 2+ years ago. He has since had bad years in Edmonton and Anaheim.
Not saying there might not be a role as a 7th guy/PP specialist - and Philly signing suggests they think so. Just saying I'm not surprised Tampa isn't giving him a second chance. Keep in mind they already have Marc-Andre Bergeron to fill that role.

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01-14-2013, 11:17 AM
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Is Colton Teubert any good. Ottawa is looking for RD and Edmotnon could use a good young goalie to help Dubnyk.


Ott: Tuebert
Edm: Bishop

Two big guys fill a need, both unproven and still young, might help both clubs.
I would do this. Bishop could add some needed back up, as Roy is light years from being ready.

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01-14-2013, 11:18 AM
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Is Colton Teubert any good. Ottawa is looking for RD and Edmotnon could use a good young goalie to help Dubnyk.


Ott: Tuebert
Edm: Bishop

Two big guys fill a need, both unproven and still young, might help both clubs.
A big problem Oiler's have right now is that they are all-in with Dubnyk this year... If he strives than they are set but if he does not than they will be desperate to replace him or kiss the season goodbye.

It is definitely a risky situation to be in for a team whose goaltending and defence seem to determine the outcome of most nights.

I would feel a lot more comfortable if there was a young back up goalie like Bishop behind him instead of Khabbi who will not be here next year...

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It sounds like a few teams are interested in Bernier right now and the price would be higher. I think it would be idiotic to give up an asset for him right now given what our needs are right now. Khabby had a hot start to the year last year and in a shortened season he is quite frankly an ideal backup. They gave the vote to Dubnyk to go our and prove hes a #1, its a shortened season so lets see what he can do.

If he is a #1 we can look at signing a backup that's a UFA....

Dan Ellis
Ray Emery
Joey MacDonald
Peter Budaj
Chris Mason
Brian Boucher
Michael Leighton
Thomas Greiss
Mathieu Garon

And if he ***** the bed look at signing a #1, or tandem if one of these guys makes it there.

Niklas Backstrom
Jimmy Howard
Mike Smith

Either way goaltending is a ? right now, however its not something we need to jump the gun on right now I believe.

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Thomas Hickey just went on waivers from LA, I have always thought he was a better player than Tuebert and was the one I was hoping the Oiler's got in the Penner deal..

What do you guys think of this kid? Think he is worth the claim? Further in development than Tuebert?

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Thomas Hickey just went on waivers from LA, I have always thought he was a better player than Tuebert and was the one I was hoping the Oiler's got in the Penner deal..

What do you guys think of this kid? Think he is worth the claim? Further in development than Tuebert?
lol, logged in to post this because I knew it would get discussion.


Hickey is a bust. I'd rather give our young D a chance.

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Ouch wasn't Hickey a top 5 pick?

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Ouch wasn't Hickey a top 5 pick?
Yup, the Kings gambling on him is how we were able to grab Gagner still available.

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Thomas Hickey just went on waivers from LA, I have always thought he was a better player than Tuebert and was the one I was hoping the Oiler's got in the Penner deal..

What do you guys think of this kid? Think he is worth the claim? Further in development than Tuebert?
It's not really about Teubert. These guys that could potentially be picked up need to be better options than Pekcham or Potter.

wishart is also on waivers. Another former 1st round d-man.

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Ouch wasn't Hickey a top 5 pick?
He was a massive reach being drafted in the top 5

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Hickey IIRC is a smallish PMD, where does he fit right now or in the future? I'd pass on him.

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If Syvret clears, I wonder if we deal for him for OKC?

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