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01-09-2013, 09:49 AM
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Toronto and Phoenix (with salary retention)

To PHX:
Tim Connolly (Leafs retain 1.75m)
Mathew Lombardi

To TOR:
Raffi Torres
3rd rounder

Toronto frees up four million for Luongo, and clears a bit of a log jam in the bottom six, while moving out the two most overpaid candidates for the role. Burke also adds a little grit to the grind lines.

Phoenix roles the dice on a couple of big gambles, while basically maxing out their budget. Both guys have just a year remaining, though, so if they don't fit, they can be let go. If they do fit, more reasonable contracts can be negotiated.

Obviously if Toronto is actually happy with either Lombardi or Connolly they'd laugh it off. If they're looking for a way to move on from both and turn the page on these experiments, they might consider it.

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01-09-2013, 09:51 AM
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Depends if Bozak is included in the Lou trade or not. If Bozak is indeed gone, we might actually need tim the tin man Connolly.

If so, drop Torres and Connolly and I'd do that deal.

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To PHX:
Tim Connolly (Leafs retain 1.75m)
Mathew Lombardi

To TOR:
Raffi Torres
3rd rounder

Toronto frees up four million for Luongo, and clears a bit of a log jam in the bottom six, while moving out the two most overpaid candidates for the role. Burke also adds a little grit to the grind lines.

Phoenix roles the dice on a couple of big gambles, while basically maxing out their budget. Both guys have just a year remaining, though, so if they don't fit, they can be let go. If they do fit, more reasonable contracts can be negotiated.

Obviously if Toronto is actually happy with either Lombardi or Connolly they'd laugh it off. If they're looking for a way to move on from both and turn the page on these experiments, they might consider it.

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Why does Toronto need to free up salary for anyone? We have plenty of cap room and that's before we even send players back to the other team in a deal.

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01-09-2013, 10:07 AM
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Why does Toronto need to free up salary for anyone? We have plenty of cap room and that's before we even send players back to the other team in a deal.
My thought was that with the addition of Luongo, you might want to make another larger acquisition. Someone who would be a more effective use of cap space. Obviously salary doesn't matter much to Toronto but I imagine they can think of better ways to spend 8mil in cap space than on Connolly and Lombardi.

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Until we see what could be moved in the next week or so, It would be hard to move both just cause it will kill the depth at center. I'm more inclined to keep Connolly, And Lombardi would be a better fit with Phoenix anyway.

So my counter offer is


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Lombardi(we retain $1.5m)
3rd rounder '13


To Tor

2nd rounder '13 or Lessio

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I'd do this, but we might need Tin man if we trade Bozie.

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01-09-2013, 10:17 AM
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3 WAY!!

To Vancouver:

Bozak
Frattin
Torres

To Toronto:
Luongo

To Phoenix:
Raymond
Lombardi
Nucks 2nd

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Until we see what could be moved in the next week or so, It would be hard to move both just cause it will kill the depth at center. I'm more inclined to keep Connolly, And Lombardi would be a better fit with Phoenix anyway.

So my counter offer is


To Phx

Lombardi(we retain $1.5m)
3rd rounder '13


To Tor

2nd rounder '13 or Lessio
I'm guessing we can take on four or four and a half this season. We don't need the salary retention on Lombardi alone, and I don't see much of a reason to pay a premium for it if it leaves us with only two million in dead budget space. Not enough to do much upgrading.

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3 WAY!!

To Vancouver:

Bozak
Frattin
Torres

To Toronto:
Luongo

To Phoenix:
Raymond
Lombardi
Nucks 2nd
I think nucks say no.

Phoenix comes out looking like bandits lol.

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I think nucks say no.

Phoenix comes out looking like bandits lol.
Not really. They take Lombardi who is a bad contract. Raymond who is redundant in Van and a 2nd.

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3 WAY!!

To Vancouver:

Bozak
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Torres

To Toronto:
Luongo

To Phoenix:
Raymond
Lombardi
Nucks 2nd
Works for me, but probably not Toronto. Three forwards out and no forwards in?

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Works for me, but probably not Toronto. Three forwards out and no forwards in?
Only 1 they use.Lombardi is a ?? and Frattin has never dressed.

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Not really. They take Lombardi who is a bad contract. Raymond who is redundant in Van and a 2nd.
Raymond for Torres is around fair value (I think Raymond's better)

They offered a pick for Lombardi (he might find is game there like he did in the past) and a 2nd is nothing to flinch at.
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Works for me, but probably not Toronto. Three forwards out and no forwards in?
We have too many forwards lol. I don't mind losing 3

Edit: just saw Frattin in there. Leafs say no.

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Only 1 they use.Lombardi is a ?? and Frattin has never dressed.
Frattin is a lock for the roster.

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Until we see what could be moved in the next week or so, It would be hard to move both just cause it will kill the depth at center. I'm more inclined to keep Connolly, And Lombardi would be a better fit with Phoenix anyway.

So my counter offer is


To Phx

Lombardi(we retain $1.5m)
3rd rounder '13


To Tor

2nd rounder '13 or Lessio
I'll do this one but not the one for torres.

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Only 1 they use.Lombardi is a ?? and Frattin has never dressed.
Lombardi and Bozak is two. Frattin was signed to replace Crabb, no? That's three. Unless I'm wrong on the last bit and its just two.

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Lombardi and Bozak is two. Frattin was signed to replace Crabb, no? That's three. Unless I'm wrong on the last bit and its just two.
Frattin was a leafs draft pick who is built like a bull on skates and can score almost at free will at both the college level and the AHL. Once he finds his scoring touch in the NHL there is no doubt he can become a solid 2nd liner

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3 WAY!!

To Vancouver:

Bozak
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To Toronto:
Luongo

To Phoenix:
Raymond
Lombardi
Nucks 2nd
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Raymond for Torres is around fair value (I think Raymond's better)

They offered a pick for Lombardi (he might find is game there like he did in the past) and a 2nd is nothing to flinch at.


We have too many forwards lol. I don't mind losing 3

Edit: just saw Frattin in there. Leafs say no.
Dump Frattin and the 2nd. Nucks pay a million bucks worth of Raymond to keep the second and Toronto
Pays a million worth of Lombardi to keep Frattin. Phoenix adds a 3rd to one side of the other. Probably Vancouver.

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Depends if Bozak is included in the Lou trade or not. If Bozak is indeed gone, we might actually need tim the tin man Connolly.

If so, drop Torres and Connolly and I'd do that deal.
Agreed. If bozer is gone than Connolly is a player we may have to rely on. Unless of course he gets injured in a strong breeze on the way to the arena. Guy is as soft as a bag of milk.

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Dump Frattin and the 2nd. Nucks pay a million bucks worth of Raymond to keep the second and Toronto
Pays a million worth of Lombardi to keep Frattin. Phoenix adds a 3rd to one side of the other. Probably Vancouver.
Done from leafs Pov. Nucks wouldn't do it.

I'd toss in Franson/MacArthur maybe because of our excessive depth

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3 WAY!!

To Vancouver:

Bozak
Frattin
Torres

To Toronto:
Luongo

To Phoenix:
Raymond
Lombardi
Nucks 2nd
Phoenix gives Torres, and gets Raymond, Lombardi and a 2nd? I don't think so. I really hope Frattin doesn't get dealt. He is a great 3rd liner who can hit like a truck.

I would do the deal in the OP though, especially considering Torres contract is done at the end of the season too. If he plays well re-sign him, if he gets suspended half the season then let him go.

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To PHX:
Tim Connolly (Leafs retain 1.75m)
Mathew Lombardi

To TOR:
Raffi Torres
3rd rounder

Toronto frees up four million for Luongo, and clears a bit of a log jam in the bottom six, while moving out the two most overpaid candidates for the role. Burke also adds a little grit to the grind lines.

Phoenix roles the dice on a couple of big gambles, while basically maxing out their budget. Both guys have just a year remaining, though, so if they don't fit, they can be let go. If they do fit, more reasonable contracts can be negotiated.

Obviously if Toronto is actually happy with either Lombardi or Connolly they'd laugh it off. If they're looking for a way to move on from both and turn the page on these experiments, they might consider it.

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Wow.... you think you've seen it all on hfboards... then this...

The cap this year is $70.2m.

First, Toronto has committed about $63.5m. They could add Luongo's $5.3m without even batting an eye, nevermind the likelyhood that one of Lombardi/Connolly end up being in a Luongo deal.

Second, there's no value in "getting rid of" a Connolly/Lombardi, because they're only 1-year deals. There's only 3 teams that couldn't add Lombardi right now, and 5 that couldn't add Connolly. They may not have a ton of value, but for a team looking for short term help at centre, these guys have value. If these guys had risk beyond this year, and were potential buyout candidates, then you might be closer, but they don't.

Third, Raffi Torres is beyond redundant in Toronto. The wing is Toronto's strongest and deepest position. We have 2 young guys that need to play, and another couple that probably should be playing. There should be zero interest in adding a guy like Raffi Torres.

If the Coyotes are looking for help at centre, Klesla is a guy that Toronto would be looking for.

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Wow.... you think you've seen it all on hfboards... then this...

The cap this year is $70.2m.

First, Toronto has committed about $63.5m. They could add Luongo's $5.3m without even batting an eye, nevermind the likelyhood that one of Lombardi/Connolly end up being in a Luongo deal.

Second, there's no value in "getting rid of" a Connolly/Lombardi, because they're only 1-year deals. There's only 3 teams that couldn't add Lombardi right now, and 5 that couldn't add Connolly. They may not have a ton of value, but for a team looking for short term help at centre, these guys have value. If these guys had risk beyond this year, and were potential buyout candidates, then you might be closer, but they don't.

Third, Raffi Torres is beyond redundant in Toronto. The wing is Toronto's strongest and deepest position. We have 2 young guys that need to play, and another couple that probably should be playing. There should be zero interest in adding a guy like Raffi Torres.

If the Coyotes are looking for help at centre, Klesla is a guy that Toronto would be looking for.
And yet most folks are at least marginally receptive to the idea. Go figure.

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And yet most folks are at least marginally receptive to the idea. Go figure.
Anyone who's marginally receptive to the idea from a Leafs perspective obviously lacks the ability for critical thought.

In fact, there's really only 1 guy receptive to this idea... the rest realize that the far better idea is a simple Lombardi-for-a-pick swap.

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Torres doesn't fill jack **** for Tah-RAWNA

Tawrawna Maypel Leaves need that good stuff, Torres is probably going to get suspended in his first game back anyways.

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