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Burke out - Good or Bad?

View Poll Results: Happy he's gone?
Yes 137 31.86%
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01-09-2013, 02:23 PM
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Ecstatic. Team needs a new direction.
Its the same direction, without all the stupid christmas trade freeze, gay pride parade/troops visit on July 1st(free agency opening) and all the rest of his politics

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01-09-2013, 02:23 PM
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He got fired because he has the worst record of any GM in Toronto's long history.

Worse than JFJ.
Not according to Anselmi. Did you even watch the press conference.

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01-09-2013, 02:24 PM
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Not according to Anselmi. Did you even watch the press conference.
Yes.

He specifically pointed to the Leafs record at least once.

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01-09-2013, 02:24 PM
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Wonder if this means we make some noise at the draft to signal a rebuild? Idk. too much to digest.

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01-09-2013, 02:25 PM
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Not happy with the timing at all, but is it a good move overall? Yes.

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01-09-2013, 02:26 PM
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He got fired because he has the worst record of any GM in Toronto's long history.

Worse than JFJ.
Oh Bomber...details...details

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01-09-2013, 02:26 PM
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A right hand man to Bettman in the NHL head office job might be a good direction for Burke to go next. He worked closely with Bettman during the lockout and his personal beliefs via CBA aligned nicely, but were detrimental to his own hockey team in the process, of neutering MLSE money and buying power even more. Also this firing has manage to free up more spare time for Burkie, so he can pursue other interest, like riding in parades on real NHL GMs busiest days like trade deadline day or July 1st UFA season. Now those pesky GM commitments to improving a struggling hockey team no longer will get in his way on taking the day off for personal reasons.
Odd isn't it? MLSE asks Burke to represent them during the CBA negotiations, once consumated, Burke is then relieved of his duties. Bush league all the way, Nonis won't have much say in anything, and JFJ is shaking his head right now, and i'm sure calling Nonis to warn him of the impending colapse, and board of directors, who all think they know how a team should be run. Pro Burke or not, if there is meddling ownership as there was before, and it looks that way, that is bad for everyone who is a fan of this team. No question about it.

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01-09-2013, 02:26 PM
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Disgusting, and a not proud to be a Leaf fan today. Anyone who watched the presser, questions and Tony Ansalemi (spelling) would know the real reason or reasons he was let go was not revealed. In order to have a succesful team, the GM needed autonomy, which was one of the conditions needed in order for Burke to come to Toronto. It is clear now that the new owners feel they have some ideas on how to run a hockey team, and the cycle has reared it's ugly head yet again. If anyone believes Nonis has full control, is beyond delusional, and will be set up for failure yet again.
Burke had autonomy and it didn't mean jack squat to the Leafs fortunes. The next GM needs autonomy as well but don't let that fool you into thinking they don't also need a) a plan and b) results of the said plan.

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01-09-2013, 02:27 PM
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Nonis is a great hockey exec. The Leafs are going to be in good hands with him interim or otherwise. Don't lose faith Leaf fans. The sun will come up tomorrow even without Burke as GM.
One of Nonis very first words out of his PC today, was that he was going to look for assistance and advice from senior hockey HHOF adviser Cliff Fletcher, which he looks up to..

He then went on to say newcomers Loiselle and Poulin as part of his management along with Cliff will be operating as a team going forward.

The first thing Nonis admitted is that the management team has a lot of work to do in building this team into a winner, unlike his predecessor who went on about his no need for a 5 year plan nonsense and thought he could do it on reputation alone.

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01-09-2013, 02:28 PM
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I for one am happy, I hope Nonis builds the right way and realizes Kessel is not a franchise player. MacKinnon/Jones are franchise type guys if we can trade Kessel for at least what we traded for him 2 1st's and a 2nd or top level prospect, 1st, and 2nd I'd be okay with that direction.

Rule #1 when building a franchise: Always start with a number one center, if you don't have one draft one. Everything else can be complementary.

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He got fired because he has the worst record of any GM in Toronto's long history.

Worse than JFJ.
Someone didnt watch the presser I see. That wasnt what was said one bit. No need to make things up, if that is your belief then fine, but not what was said. What was said was time for new "leadership".

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This is not the way to do it. And if it is because of his wise decision not to pursue Luongo, as some suggest, it just goes to show what a continuing cluster**** this organization is. When you think about it, it is almost beyond incredible.

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01-09-2013, 02:28 PM
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I voted yes, but its not that I disliked brian burke as a GM, but I did not like his self imposed restrictions on player signings and trades.

Although I hate the timing of the firing as well

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01-09-2013, 02:29 PM
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Someone didnt watch the presser I see. That wasnt what was said one bit. No need to make things up, if that is your belief then fine, but not what was said. What was said was time for new "leadership".
You should watch it again.

He pointed to the Leafs' record.

Which is worse in team history.

Imagine that?

Getting fired for driving the team into the sewer!

Who wouldve thought?????

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01-09-2013, 02:30 PM
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Yes.

He specifically pointed to the Leafs record at least once.
He specifically referred to them not liking his 'style' numerous times. Stated their support of the direction Burke has put the leafs in multiple times as well. I don't really expect you to find the minute mark of it but I don't recall at all them pointing to Burkes record unequivocally as a reason for him being relieved.

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01-09-2013, 02:32 PM
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Yes and no for me.

I didn't like his big mouth from the start and he committed a big no no in my books by constantly over-promising and under-delivering.

That said, ownership sticking their noses in again doesn't look good either.

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01-09-2013, 02:33 PM
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You should watch it again.

He pointed to the Leafs' record.

Which is worse in team history.

Imagine that?

Getting fired for driving the team into the sewer!

Who wouldve thought?????
When asked why, there were several reasons, as per Tony A. One factor was the record of the team, as well as others, he also mentioned many times the need for new "leadership". The Leafs record was not the sole reason why, and that was said many times in the presser. Say what you want, but taking things out of context, when they are documented otherwise, doesnt support your agenda.

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01-09-2013, 02:34 PM
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He specifically referred to them not liking his 'style' numerous times. Stated their support of the direction Burke has put the leafs in multiple times as well. I don't really expect you to find the minute mark of it but I don't recall at all them pointing to Burkes record unequivocally as a reason for him being relieved.
He pointed to the record.

Imagine that...getting fired for coming in the bottom of the league every single year.

How could they do this to us?

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Was really interested to see the perspective of leaf fans on this move. Seems as though it had alot to do with the Luongo deal. Burke has a history of hating long term contracts and with the new CBA they are even worse. So they bring in Nonis to secure Luongo? He was the guy who brought him to Vancouver in 2004 dont forget.

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01-09-2013, 02:36 PM
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When asked why, there were several reasons, as per Tony A. One factor was the record of the team, as well as others, he also mentioned many times the need for new "leadership". The Leafs record was not the sole reason why, and that was said many times in the presser. Say what you want, but taking things out of context, when they are documented otherwise, doesnt support your agenda.
So when you said that the record wasn't mentioned one bit one post ago, and accused me of not watching the presser, you didn't really mean that?

Bad memory I guess.

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01-09-2013, 02:38 PM
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Not even close. Nonis brought in Edler, Schneider, Mitchell, Luongo, and Burrows, and all it cost for the lot was a Bertuzzi, Auld, Allen, a couple draft picks, and money. He was overly patient/hesitant to make big moves at times that could jeopardize the future to win in the present, but at times that is a good thing.
I hope he's the same way in Toronto

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No, should have at least got this season to see what happens. To early, I wouldn't mind firing him if this season goes horribly though.

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I liked Burke, but I also like Nonis so I'm neutral although I voted "yes". I will be really pissed down the road if this has something to do with Burke not willing to trade youth for veterans and management wanted Luongo.

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He pointed to the record.

Imagine that...getting fired for coming in the bottom of the league every single year.

How could they do this to us?
The word ' record' was used once, maybe. 'Change in leadership' and other similar buzz words were repeated over and over. The record was the same now as last Augest. It's quite obvious there is something bigger at play here behind the scenes.

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He got fired because he has the worst record of any GM in Toronto's long history.

Worse than JFJ.
Philosopher Arthur Schopenhaur once said ..

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident".

The same fans that believed JFJ was doing a good job and surprised by his dismissal will soon come to realize in time that the TRUTH of the matter is that Burke's win/loss record in Toronto was even worse than JFJ (post lockout Cap World CBA) was.

It will then become clear as to why he was fired and be accepted as the best thing that could have happened to this team going forward. Brian Burke is the Leafs GM on record with the least success and longest consecutive non playoff streak throughout it long storied past, of all previous Leaf GMs.

The results don't lie, hopefully for Leaf Nation sake its not something we will be asked to endure again any time soon as that was painful to say the least. Better times are now ahead hopefully as change always brings renewed optimism.

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