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thanks, thats pretty depressing

was hoping for a big change when i heard the news but now realizing its going to be more of the same but will just take longer
A big change? Since the Kessel trade, most of the moves have been to try and build for the long-term, finding ways to build with youth. It seems Nonis will continue that direction... we'll see what he gives up for Luongo.

There are only two courses for big changes. Sell the youth for experience, or start a new rebuild, selling off all useful pieces.

I can't see I'm comfortable with either, so the old course is probably the best, with some tweaks.

My biggest concern with Nonis is his draft record.

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No 1st line C
No #1 goalie
Teams have missed the playoffs every year under his reign
Mediocre farm system

Cant believe how many people are making it seem like we just fired some guy who did wonders for this franchise.
I can't believe that the solution is to replace him with Nonis and everything will be status quo

that burke wasn't fired for the above but for his style with the media

so frustrating

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THere is NOTHING professional about what happened today, there is NOTHING that says top flight organization about doing this move right on eve of season. Total amateur hour, complete joke!!
I agree, it's a joke. Three hands in the cookie jar and they all want different things. We have Rogers with one agenda Bell with another and then Larry Tanenbaum.

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You can throw that out the window if Luongo is indeed a target.
I'll be surprised if that is the case. More likely it was Burke who wanted LU and he got axed before he could pull the trigger.

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Should've kept Gustavsson then
If we stay as we are right now we get a top 5 pick. Just one of the top 5's this year would be huge for us.

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I think Luongo should still be a target. I just don't think he should be a target at the price Vancouver appears to want. And that's why i'm scared, because if the owners want it done at any price, we're going to end up in the same position we were in when JFJ was fired. Which is not a good one.

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players brought in to bridge the gap of prospects
Is it a requirement to have garbage in your lineup to "bridge teh gap of prospects"? I dont think so. Stop making excuses for this poor excuse of an executive. You don't have to "protect" Burkie anymore. He is nobody.

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they lost two straight recently

They are still 7-3 in their last ten which has them tied for second hottest in the NBA.

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Been said before will be said again. No respectable team or players will lose on purpose.
So then have your GM make the team as awful as possible for 48 games.

Pick up one of the two studs in the draft and make a strong play for Getzlaf or Perry.

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A big change? Since the Kessel trade, most of the moves have been to try and build for the long-term, finding ways to build with youth. It seems Nonis will continue that direction... we'll see what he gives up for Luongo.

There are only two courses for big changes. Sell the youth for experience, or start a new rebuild, selling off all useful pieces.

I can't see I'm comfortable with either, so the old course is probably the best, with some tweaks.

My biggest concern with Nonis is his draft record.
Draft record probably won't change much. Dave Morrison is still the Head Scout and that probably won't change until the summer if it does change.


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A big change? Since the Kessel trade, most of the moves have been to try and build for the long-term, finding ways to build with youth. It seems Nonis will continue that direction... we'll see what he gives up for Luongo.

There are only two courses for big changes. Sell the youth for experience, or start a new rebuild, selling off all useful pieces.

I can't see I'm comfortable with either, so the old course is probably the best, with some tweaks.

My biggest concern with Nonis is his draft record.
If Burke didn't fall ass backwards into a top 5 pick what you said would not be true

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Well to be fair, there was no performance either.
True but if performance were such a big issue, Nonis would not be the replacement. He said so himself: He plans to continue with the status quo.

There will be no big changes to philosophy or to the direction the franchise has been taking.

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Been said before will be said again. No respectable team or players will lose on purpose.
I don't think you lose on purpose. You just don't mortgage the future to try and win now.

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If we stay as we are right now we get a top 5 pick. Just one of the top 5's this year would be huge for us.
With the new CBA, we dont even have to tank that hard. We just have to have luck on our side.

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So then have your GM make the team as awful as possible for 48 games.

Pick up one of the two studs in the draft and make a strong play for Getzlaf or Perry.
Why would a star player want to sign with a loser team?

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Some point that stood out for me...
- Burke fired for his style
- Nonis hired for his style
- Nonis says 'I am just like Burke but more patient'

What the ??? does that mean? Was Burke going to pull the trigger on some massive moves but the board said no?

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It really isn't imo. Especially with a new ownership group that I've been scared of since day 1.

You're scared of a group that is allowing the GM of the team in your avatar to spend what is needed to drastically improve the team?

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Here's the key difference:

Burke was not fired because of his performance. He was fired because ownership simply didn't like him and that is concerning.

This is a sports team, not a media company. The sooner Bell and Rogers realize that the better.
This, this and so much this.

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I'll be surprised if that is the case. More likely it was Burke who wanted LU and he got axed before he could pull the trigger.
I think it's the other way around. Burke hates those long term contracts, Nonis on the other hand is ok with them. Different philosophies and a big difference when dealing with the Luongo situation. Remember Nonis brought Luongo in from Florida.

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Is it a requirement to have garbage in your lineup to "bridge teh gap of prospects"? I dont think so. Stop making excuses for this poor excuse of an executive. You don't have to "protect" Burkie anymore. He is nobody.
was taking a shot at the decision to hire Nonis as the solution to fixing the Burke problem

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If so, that's some Harold Ballard type **** right there.
The more things change, the more they stay the same.

God forbid this organization should have a stable management group for more than 3 or 4 years, it might actually lead to some long term success.

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Why would a star player want to sign with a loser team?
uh, money?

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Seems in general that ownership really didn't like Burke's style. They simply did not like him or his personality and there wasn't trust. Nonis stated he wants to continue their path and will not start over

John Shannon made a good point - that both Bell and Rogers are very button down type organizations who might want a less confrontational and controversial face of the Leafs organization. It actually makes some sense to me.

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