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01-10-2013, 02:48 AM
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No prob. Hard to say how Kessel will handle the coaching change, I mean Carlyle had Selanne in Anahiem and there were no problems there, actually Selanne kept coming back for more each year, so really could it have been that bad?
Exactly. Even on a Carlyle team, someone has to score. Maybe Kessel will thrive under Carlyle.

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01-10-2013, 03:49 AM
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Yes guys... let's do it... let's move the only bright spot and legitimate star on this team, who finished top 6 in the league in scoring and helped Lupul have his first star year of his career. Even if you don't like the Kessel trade, what would be the purpose of trading him? There is no one on the wing to replace his production. Here's an interesting idea, instead of trading one of the best snipers in the game, how about we keep him and actually supply him with better linemates, particularly at centre. Stop the speculation, Burke or no Burke, leafs aren't moving Kessel.

People still ***** and moan about the Kessel trade, instead of lamenting at what we could have had, how about we cherish what we have right now on our team; despite it being very few. With personalities on the radio complaining constantly about the Kessel trade, you'd never know this guy was top 6 in scoring playing with TYLER ****ING BOZAK!

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01-10-2013, 05:51 AM
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Yes guys... let's do it... let's move the only bright spot and legitimate star on this team, who finished top 6 in the league in scoring and helped Lupul have his first star year of his career. Even if you don't like the Kessel trade, what would be the purpose of trading him? There is no one on the wing to replace his production. Here's an interesting idea, instead of trading one of the best snipers in the game, how about we keep him and actually supply him with better linemates, particularly at centre. Stop the speculation, Burke or no Burke, leafs aren't moving Kessel.

People still ***** and moan about the Kessel trade, instead of lamenting at what we could have had, how about we cherish what we have right now on our team; despite it being very few. With personalities on the radio complaining constantly about the Kessel trade, you'd never know this guy was top 6 in scoring playing with TYLER ****ING BOZAK!
then u build a team around him get at a goalie and a centerman .....burke got canned cause the leafs suck,and their prospects are no more than 15th -20 rated in a 30 team league ....the NFL has black monday ,8 coaches got canned ,,burke may never get another hockey job again

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01-10-2013, 06:59 AM
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Now that Burke is gone, the team doesn't exactly owe anything to Kessel. It's evident that you cannot build a team around him. Yes he is a good player, but like anyone he can be moved.

What do you think will happen? Can you see the Leafs moving him before the trade deadline (2014).
If Nonis is smart, he'll try to move Phil "Cream Cheese" Kessel as soon as possible. The time is now to capitalize on Kessel's career year last season; this team isn't going anywhere anyway this season (except back to the bottom of the league standings again), so Nonis might as well take advantage of the situation and get himself set up to grab some high-quality, high-end prospects at next summer's Draft.

And get rid of Phneuf as well.

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01-10-2013, 07:04 AM
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If Nonis is smart, he'll try to move Phil "Cream Cheese" Kessel as soon as possible. The time is now to capitalize on Kessel's career year last season; this team isn't going anywhere anyway this season (except back to the bottom of the league standings again), so Nonis might as well take advantage of the situation and get himself set up to grab some high-quality, high-end prospects at next summer's Draft.

And get rid of Phneuf as well.
I guess Nonis could get a first round pick for Kessel. This way the Leafs would only be down one 1st round pick. How Burke though Kessel was worth two first round pick is beyond me. No way Kessel fetches this much right now, even after a career year.

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01-10-2013, 07:20 AM
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I would trade Kessel and Phaneuf. Get some real leadership on the team.

To Dallas
Kessel

To Toronto
Benn
1st 2013

then

To Winnipeg
Phaneuf
Reimer

To Toronto
Kane
Bogosian

Lupul - Benn - Kane
JVR - Grabovsiki - Frattin/Kulemin

To Vancouver
Bozak
Kadri

To Toronto
Luongo
1st 2013

Sign Dan Ellis as back-up.

Start fresh with three new young faces, an All-Star Goalie and 3 1st round picks in the deepest draft in memory.

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01-10-2013, 07:24 AM
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I would trade Kessel and Phaneuf. Get some real leadership on the team.

To Dallas
Kessel

To Toronto
Benn
1st 2013

then

To Winnipeg
Phaneuf
Reimer

To Toronto
Kane
Bogosian

Lupul - Benn - Kane
JVR - Grabovsiki - Frattin/Kulemin

To Vancouver
Bozak
Kadri

To Toronto
Luongo
1st 2013

Sign Dan Ellis as back-up.

Start fresh with three new young faces, an All-Star Goalie and 3 1st round picks in the deepest draft in memory.
I would totally do this. Too bad Dallas or Winnipeg doesn't touch this with a 10 ft stick.

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01-10-2013, 07:29 AM
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I think Nonis should take a proactive approach with Kessel. Having a hunch/intuition/instinct is a skill as well (for those crying about a lack of evidence). I think it's foolish for people to say "b-b-but there's still a long time before Kessel becomes a UFA." INCORRECT! This condensed 48-game season will fly by, and then all of a sudden Kessel has 1 year left before he can walk for absolutely nothing. This organization is a circus, Burke is gone, the team has had no success, the team is constantly under the microscope and scrutinized, and the list goes on. IF Nonis has any inkling whatsoever that Kessel might have even a thought of leaving, the best thing would be to deal with the situation proactively and look for a similar player at a different position (maybe a Getzlaf or someone younger and more under the radar) and see if that might hake the team better overall.

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01-10-2013, 07:30 AM
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The leafs are gonna sign Overpaid vet's every year.

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01-10-2013, 07:30 AM
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I would trade Kessel and Phaneuf. Get some real leadership on the team.

To Dallas
Kessel

To Toronto
Benn
1st 2013

then

To Winnipeg
Phaneuf
Reimer

To Toronto
Kane
Bogosian

Lupul - Benn - Kane
JVR - Grabovsiki - Frattin/Kulemin

To Vancouver
Bozak
Kadri

To Toronto
Luongo
1st 2013

Sign Dan Ellis as back-up.

Start fresh with three new young faces, an All-Star Goalie and 3 1st round picks in the deepest draft in memory.
Everything I've heard and read from Vancouver fans says Nonis drags his feet when it comes to trades and you expect him to make 3 major trades in 1 year?

Keep dreaming

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01-10-2013, 07:37 AM
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I can guarantee we wouldn't get equal value for Kessel in a trade. We would end up with one or more lesser players. Probably a 60 point centerman.
If he's not going to sign here, we have to trade him. And we wouldn't trade him for a proven ~60 point C. We'd have to roll the dice on a top prospect + lesser roster player.

Anyways, one thing to point out is that IF we have to trade Kessel, I don't think it means a full rebuild.

Blueline- pretty set longterm. Phaneuf+Rielly+Gardiner+Gunnarson+ Percy/Finn/Blacker/Holzer/etc

Wingers - Set longterm, unless both Kessel/Lupul leave. But presumably we'd be trading them for some good assets. Winger is the least important position on the team. Ideally Kessel/Lupul would be traded to help beef up the G/C positions

Centre - Pretty thing. Hopefully it can either get filled via our 1st round pick this upcoming draft, Mackinnon, Monahan, or somebody else (Barkov?), or via a Kessel trade, or via free agency with Getzlaf. All of them are longshots obviously, but say we did trade Kessel for a package that included a really solid C prospect, presumably without Kessel and with our goaltending we'd bottom out this year, and would get one of the top 2-3 centres in the draft. Which would give us 2 solid centre prospects, hopefully 1 of which becomes the player we need

Goaltending - Obviously a problem. Backstrom could be a shortterm answer in free agency. Otherwise you'd have to hope we got a good goalie prospect back in one of the packages for Kessel or Lupul.

Anyways, I'm not saying we SHOULD trade Kessel. Just that we absolutely can't let him (or Lupul, MacArthur, Bozak, etc) walk for nothing. And if we have to trade him, it's not the end of the world. Our blueline looks decent longterm, we should have a high pick this upcoming draft, and we'd presumably get pretty solid packages for Kessel/Lupul, though obviously not as good as what we ultimately gave up in the original Kessel deal.

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01-10-2013, 07:49 AM
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I think there is no way they trade Phil, they will give him 8 mill to stay, As for the Media, They can control the Media to stay off his back if they wanted to, Phil will be a leaf to the next CBA, If this team is not in a playoff spot by the trade deadline Im sure Lupul will be traded.

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01-10-2013, 09:26 AM
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- Yes lets trade a 25 year old ppg player who is just entering his prime, brilliant idea all around right there
Perhaps you missed the words right and price, personally I'm more "for" building a team with integrity, and respect. Kessel whined about Wilson, and has already whined about caryle. That's a Big cause for concern IMO. The closer he gets to free agency, or the next time he publically questions his coach, will undoubtedly drive his market value significantly lower than it is now.

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01-10-2013, 09:48 AM
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you could make lots of interesting blockbusters to get guys you like if you start trading guys like kessel lupul gardiner phaneuf

make your team LOL

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Whatever Kessel's future, I hope it's decided by the end of this season. Either know your going to sign him and be prepared to fork over whatever he wants (when he's allowed to re-up), or be prepared to deal him and start positioning your team for the 2013 draft.

I'd prefer not to go into next season with Kessel on an expiring contract. Not to mention Phaneuf on an expiring contract also.

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as a person from vancouver, please god do not get luongo...he might do well during the season, but will crack when it matters. in fact, there are several instances of this unless you have missed his performances in key situations since the gold medal game.

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Whoever is on TSN radio this morning (about 1/2 hour ago) said that he would trade Kessel for Luongo straight up, but he didn't think that Vancouver would. I turned the dial immediately.

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01-10-2013, 10:10 AM
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Every Team in the NHL already has a Phil Kessel - most got him for free - the rest would not pay nearly as much.

If you can get a Top10 Pick + Good Goalie Prospect you run as fast as you can to the bank and cash in.

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Get a package of picks and high level prospects for him and turn a page.

This team is nowhere near winning.


If Kessel gets traded, its going to be a hockey deal, they aren't dumping him for prospects.

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01-10-2013, 10:11 AM
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Every Team in the NHL already has a Phil Kessel - most got him for free - the rest would not pay nearly as much.

If you can get a Top10 Pick + Good Goalie Prospect you take it at this point. Turn a page.
Are you serious?

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If we don't keep Kessel, we're so unbelievably screwed.
Unless you add players that make your team better. No one is untouchable in this league. Kessel is good at producing points. So I can see why people like him. He has explosive skating and an even more explosive shot. But you have to keep in mind having a quality sniper means nothing if you can't stop the other team from scoring more then a PPG against him.

IMO kessel only gets moved if the right offer is made. Ie a top line centre and a top 4 dman for instance. A gm would be foolish not to make that trade. In fact it would be robbery. But let's face it gms make mistakes. If I were the gm I'd move him for less. But the biggest hole on this team is centre man. I'm not a leaf fan but I find myself rooting for Kadri. He is born in Toronto after all

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01-10-2013, 10:18 AM
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If Kessel gets traded, its going to be a hockey deal, they aren't dumping him for prospects.
Like Peter chiarelli did?

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Everything I've heard and read from Vancouver fans says Nonis drags his feet when it comes to trades and you expect him to make 3 major trades in 1 year?

Keep dreaming
Not disagreeing with you but maybe in a 48 game shortened season he feels the heat to make quicker deals.

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Like Peter chiarelli did?
They were a contending team with or without Kessel they could afford it. That and it proved to be a perfect storm of a deal. If you could get a first or second overall pick in a deal for Kessel, sure, pull the trigger. Needs to be a sure thing though. Too much invested in him to get a bunch of maybes.

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On TSN.
That is not a direct quote. The first part was "Some nights .."

Not even trollin' lol

We are so ****ed.
That was only part of the discussion. They were mainly discussing why some players wouldn't want to play in Toronto because of the media scrutiny. They mentioned how both Kessel, Phaneuf and others could attest to that on some nights.

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