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Bobby Lu Part II(All Luongo Talk goes here) [Post 643: Luongo to Philly?]

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01-09-2013, 08:06 PM
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I really wouldn't hate it if Matt Read came back. I think he's pretty good.

Read, Talbot, 2nd

I like Voracek+2nd or Simmonds+1st as well.

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Washington? What?

They have Holtby and Neuvirth. Both capable goalies.

Why would Washington trade for Luongo after the performance Holtby had

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Again, ignores the second side of the equation. You guys need a goalie. Gillis is a patient man and won't give him to you for Ashton and Connolly. Nonis will be joining Burke if he takes that approach and Gillis will deal with his successor.
Gillis may be a patient man... but there's no way he can reasonably expect Luongo's value to hold or increase while he transitions from #1 to backup, and gets older. It also builds the future cap liability for the Canucks. That's a decision that gets GMs fired.

Nobody gets hired for a full GM role with a 1-year ultimatum to get the team to the playoffs. It's funny, but by firing Burke, they actually decreased the urgency for the Leafs to make the playoffs this year. Burke had to know his job was on the line if he didn't make the playoffs, Gillis' job isn't on the line, if it was, he would've been named interim.

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HF reaction for whenever Luongo gets traded is going to be hilarious. Everyone will be disappointed in the return he gets, like almost every other player. Vancouver does not hold all that much leverage, why would a team trade such valuable assets for someone who can be bought out this summer or next?
Why would a team trade for Luongo?
Presumably to get better in net with the top goalie on the market. Why do teams trade for any player.

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He's got a better offence right now in Vancouver, as well as a better defence.
Vancouver's D is better

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Because there's at least five teams in on this.
WTF? Name them?

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HF reaction for whenever Luongo gets traded is going to be hilarious. Everyone will be disappointed in the return he gets, like almost every other player. Vancouver does not hold all that much leverage, why would a team trade such valuable assets for someone who can be bought out this summer or next?
This exactly. Vancouver is not in the drivers seat. If you want to keep him, keep him.

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Can't they just stick Bryz in the minors? or no movement clause?
new CBA prevents this

only the first 900k gets buried in the minors, you're on the hook for everything else even if he's in the minors. Poor NYR, Redden's coming back on the books

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Of course they want Briere off their team. He's great in the playoffs, but not 6.5 mil great. Plus he's nearly done also.
He had 68 points a year ago. 49 was a down year but I'd sooner take a chance on him than Bozak. His playoff numbers are more than enticing.

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Washington? no

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Washington? What?

They have Holtby and Neuvirth. Both capable goalies.

Why would Washington trade for Luongo after the performance Holtby had
The performance that Holtby have was under a defensive system. While still very impressive, the system does help.

I still think he's going to be a stud this year though. That kid is awesome.

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Washington?
I don't think Vancouver would trade him to Edmonton either.

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What market?

It was reported that the canucks wanted Gardiner and Kadri and toronto said no

With ridiculous demands like that, there is no real market. Just teams interested in a goalie with Gillis yelling what he thinks he deserves
Like any GM, he's going to start the price high. And sorry if we don't think Bozak being the centre piece of a deal is worth it.

I don't expect to get a real star player or anything back for Luongo but a third liner who doesn't fit in our system at all? No thanks.

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WTF? Name them?
Toronto
Florida
Edmonton
Philly
Chicago

Columbus if Lu will waive

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Can't they just stick Bryz in the minors? or no movement clause?
I thought contracts in the AHL over $105,000, counted against the NHL cap in this new cba.
Or did the nhl drop that proposal from the final cba?

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Why would a team trade for Luongo?
Presumably to get better in net with the top goalie on the market. Why do teams trade for any player.
Yea I understand that, but what I am saying why give up what "nuck" fans think they are going to get(Don't think it will be an impressive return as you all think) when they can just wait till the end of this season and see if he is bought out. They also could trade for him in the summer too, after the buy Bryz out. He is not going to get you Read, Voracek, or Simmonds. If he does, Homer should be fired.

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WTF? Name them?
The ones known to have some form of interest (at least smoke, and where there's smoke there's fire).

- Toronto
- Florida
- Edmonton
- Chicago

Now Philly. I'd expect San Jose has likely made an inquiry as well.

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Fantastic, but doesn't change the fact. Luongo will start to go downhill soon that's proven, he's a glorified rental imo
Uh, you just wrote that the FUTURE is proven.

I'm sorry, but how "lacking in sense" must one be to actually post such a comment?


er... Luongo bad! Because!!!!

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I thought contracts in the AHL over $105,000, counted against the NHL cap in this new cba.
Or did the nhl drop that proposal from the final cba?
1 way contracts over 900k/yr will be counted against the cap in access of the 900k

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He had 68 points a year ago. 49 was a down year but I'd sooner take a chance on him than Bozak.
49 isn't a down year. It's a down slope, he's not going to hit 68 points again or that ppg again. I like Briere, but he's done. Awesome performance vs the Devils though, nice offside goal vs Pitt too.

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Gillis may be a patient man... but there's no way he can reasonably expect Luongo's value to hold or increase while he transitions from #1 to backup, and gets older.Nobody gets hired for a full GM role with a 1-year ultimatum to get the team to the playoffs. It's funny, but by firing Burke, they actually decreased the urgency for the Leafs to make the playoffs this year. Burke had to know his job was on the line if he didn't make the playoffs, Gillis' job isn't on the line, if it was, he would've been named interim.
Again, two sides. If Toronto has no other options then they need to acquire Luongo.
Nonis' job may or may not be on the line this season but as a GM that has according to TO fans been running things for 4 years he will be on a very short leash if they miss the playoffs again and run with Scrivens/Reimer. I agree with you that Gillis' job isn't on the line. He can afford to be patient and he will be unless he gets whathe feels is a fair price.

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What if Schenn is involved in a trade for him

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Uh, you just wrote that the FUTURE is proven.

I'm sorry, but how "lacking in sense" must one be to actually post such a comment?


er... Luongo bad! Because!!!!
The future obviously isn't proven, but you can look at past trends and the overwhelming evidence is goaltenders begin to decline in their mid 30s. Simple as that. Of course he can be an elite goalie at 40 years old, but that's highly unlikely and damn near impossible.

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Yea I understand that, but what I am saying why give up what "nuck" fans think they are going to get(Don't think it will be an impressive return as you all think) when they can just wait till the end of this season and see if he is bought out. They also could trade for him in the summer too, after the buy Bryz out. He is not going to get you Read, Voracek, or Simmonds. If he does, Homer should be fired.
OK, I see what you're saying. I can tell you that there is zero chance of Luongo being bought out. We're not tarding him because he's a bad player we've just got strength in net and weaknesses elsewhere. Kind of like when you guys traded for Schenn.

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