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01-10-2013, 03:53 PM
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Did you watch Galchenyuk play because playing with teammates with no offensive skills apply much more to Galchenyuk then they do to Yakupov - who was playing on Russia's top line. I'd take Yakupov's line mates to Galchenyuk's line mates any day of the week.

Your comments about Yakupov and RNH are just being silly. Edmonton shot down any idea of trading the RNH pick and were willing to listen to offers for Yakupov, but nobody was willing to pony much up for him.
That's just not true, there was much more buzz about Edmonton trading the RNH pick than the Yakupov pick. Or taking Larsson. There was some buzz around Murray this year, but I wouldn't say there was more than last year. And as for teams not "ponying up" for him, I'd love to hear what those teams were offering...

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01-10-2013, 03:56 PM
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That's just not true, there was much more buzz about Edmonton trading the RNH pick than the Yakupov pick. Or taking Larsson. There was some buzz around Murray this year, but I wouldn't say there was more than last year. And as for teams not "ponying up" for him, I'd love to hear what those teams were offering...
Considering Snow offered ALL of their draft picks from the last draft just to move up 2 spots, I would say Edmonton's 1st overall held considerable value lol.

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01-10-2013, 04:13 PM
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That is the same problem EDM has... not just EDM fans but almost all the pro scouting agencies share this view..
Until Galchenyuk proves otherwise Yakupov is clearly the better player.

Like your fellow MTL fans say... your player is garbage until he proves otherwise..
Maybe Galchenyuk will be a star... maybe he'll bust.. who knows

EDM and the 'experts' all factored in the positions these prospects played.. We selected Yakupov knowing we have a huge hole to fill on D (before Schultz) and a hole on #2C spot. Yakupov is just that good.
How can he do so, playing in a different league? As of now, Galchenyuk is one of, if not the best players in the OHL. Exactly, it's a bit of a crapshoot, however I personally see Galchenyuk as a safer bet than Yakupov. I could likely make a fair argument that Galchenyuk has already overtaken Yakupov (who he would have challenged for #1 overall last year), coming off a lost year of development. Imagine that, losing your grade 12 year; it's comparable to him losing his grade 12 year, then pulling off straight A's at university. I think he'll be great. I've never been particularly high on Yakupov, hence my obvious bias in everything I say, though I do think he'll turn out a very good player - PPG in his prime rather easily.

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01-10-2013, 04:16 PM
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How can he do so, playing in a different league? As of now, Galchenyuk is one of, if not the best players in the OHL. Exactly, it's a bit of a crapshoot, however I personally see Galchenyuk as a safer bet than Yakupov. I could likely make a fair argument that Galchenyuk has already overtaken Yakupov (who he would have challenged for #1 overall last year), coming off a lost year of development. Imagine that, losing your grade 12 year; it's comparable to him losing his grade 12 year, then pulling off straight A's at university. I think he'll be great. I've never been particularly high on Yakupov, hence my obvious bias in everything I say, though I do think he'll turn out a very good player - PPG in his prime rather easily.
Univeristy would be the NHL.

Basically, Galchenyuk missed grade 12, then came back for grade 13.

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01-10-2013, 05:18 PM
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That's just not true, there was much more buzz about Edmonton trading the RNH pick than the Yakupov pick. Or taking Larsson. There was some buzz around Murray this year, but I wouldn't say there was more than last year. And as for teams not "ponying up" for him, I'd love to hear what those teams were offering...
There was a lot more buzz about the Oilers trading the Yak pick.

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Subban for Yakupov ? anytime !!!

anyway we will be able to draft jones soon

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I'd rather trade Subban for Paarajvi and Klefbom, something an Oiler fan offered in a previous discussion.

I was okay with the Subban-Yakupov trade before the draft but now I'm not. I like Yakupov's talent but I don't see him buying into or fitting into the Hab's system.

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01-10-2013, 07:34 PM
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I'd rather trade Subban for Paarajvi and Klefbom, something an Oiler fan offered in a previous discussion.

I was okay with the Subban-Yakupov trade before the draft but now I'm not. I like Yakupov's talent but I don't see him buying or fitting into the Hab's system.
As an Oiler fan, I take that and run. Paajarvi + Klefbom < Yakupov, IMO.

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01-10-2013, 07:54 PM
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How can he do so, playing in a different league? As of now, Galchenyuk is one of, if not the best players in the OHL. Exactly, it's a bit of a crapshoot, however I personally see Galchenyuk as a safer bet than Yakupov. I could likely make a fair argument that Galchenyuk has already overtaken Yakupov (who he would have challenged for #1 overall last year), coming off a lost year of development. Imagine that, losing your grade 12 year; it's comparable to him losing his grade 12 year, then pulling off straight A's at university. I think he'll be great. I've never been particularly high on Yakupov, hence my obvious bias in everything I say, though I do think he'll turn out a very good player - PPG in his prime rather easily.
Galchenyuk has NEVER been better than Yakupov. In the year they played together Yakupov had almost 20 points of production on him. If Yakupov was in the OHL right now there is no doubt he would be out producing him again. I like how Montreal fans are quick to point out that fact that they would have drafted Galchenyuk first overall, that's a huge lie, if MTL was lucky enough to win the lottery they would be all over Yakupov.

Scoring close to a PPG in the KHL is >>>> scoring close to a 2PPG in the OHL.. Which Yakupov was already doing last year before his injury.

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01-10-2013, 07:58 PM
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in terms of value

defenseman > winger
proven player > unproven player

therefore yak + for PK

I think Yak + 1st round pick for PK and 2nd rnd pick

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Value is there, but wouldn't do it, Mtl right now is set in regards to having a key young piece at every position, with Price in nets, Gally at C, and Patches at wing, trading Subban would leave a big whole on D, number 1 dmen IMO have a lot more value then first line wingers.

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As an Oiler fan, I take that and run. Paajarvi + Klefbom < Yakupov, IMO.
I think it suits both teams better.

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Galchenyuk has NEVER been better than Yakupov. In the year they played together Yakupov had almost 20 points of production on him. If Yakupov was in the OHL right now there is no doubt he would be out producing him again. I like how Montreal fans are quick to point out that fact that they would have drafted Galchenyuk first overall, that's a huge lie, if MTL was lucky enough to win the lottery they would be all over Yakupov.

Scoring close to a PPG in the KHL is >>>> scoring close to a 2PPG in the OHL.. Which Yakupov was already doing last year before his injury.
If Galchenyuk wasn't available when Montreal drafted, I think Montreal's choice would of been between Teuvo Teravainen, Murray, or Rielly in that order, tbh. You can believe whatever you want but there's no basis or fact for what you believe in.

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01-10-2013, 08:19 PM
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Yakupov + Petry for Subban + Eller + Schultz.

I feel like the best way to go in this day and age is an overpowering offense with good D and great goalie.

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I think it suits both teams better.



If Galchenyuk wasn't available when Montreal drafted, I think Montreal's choice would of been between Teuvo Teravainen, Murray, or Rielly in that order, tbh. You can believe whatever you want but there's no basis or fact for what you believe in.
Oh? But there is in yours? Basis of the fact is Yakupov was the best player available.

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agree there ...

Makes sense and no sense all at the same time ..... #fence-sitters


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Makes tons of sense in some ways, but little sense in other ways.

The biggest issue for me as an Oiler fan is that I have no idea what Subban wants for a contract. If he wants a huge payday, then probably not the deal I would want.

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Oh? But there is in yours? Basis of the fact is Yakupov was the best player available.
I would agree with that, but the question with 18 yr olds is will he be the best player in 5 years from now? He might, or maybe someone in the 5th round might be. It's hard to predict. Yak could be Nash or Stefan, nothing is guaranteed.

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Univeristy would be the NHL.

Basically, Galchenyuk missed grade 12, then came back for grade 13.
Except enormous expectations are placed on him to carry the team, which he's done extremely well. He's been utterly dominant, even though he had to shake off some rust at the start of the season. No matter what, his role is so much greater than it previously was, especially as captain. I'd call it going to community college rather than university...

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I would agree with that, but the question with 18 yr olds is will he be the best player in 5 years from now? He might, or maybe someone in the 5th round might be. It's hard to predict. Yak could be Nash or Stefan, nothing is guaranteed.
That's true, however, Galchenyuk hasn't passed Yakupov yet. All hes down as of now is narrow the gap between them.

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Galchenyuk has NEVER been better than Yakupov. In the year they played together Yakupov had almost 20 points of production on him. If Yakupov was in the OHL right now there is no doubt he would be out producing him again. I like how Montreal fans are quick to point out that fact that they would have drafted Galchenyuk first overall, that's a huge lie, if MTL was lucky enough to win the lottery they would be all over Yakupov.

Scoring close to a PPG in the KHL is >>>> scoring close to a 2PPG in the OHL.. Which Yakupov was already doing last year before his injury.
1. Yakupov's game is clearly strong on international ice. Alex has a clear height advantage and is stronger on the puck in my opinion and has a great two way game in addition to crazy playmaking and a nice shot. He's a great all around player, quite similar to Hossa... not bad. That was ONE year, TWO years ago in their what, 3 years there? Possibly then, but think, they took him at #3 sheerly because of potential. It was a huge risk in taking him, but he's far exceeded expectations. He was riskier, but I'd take him any day on the Habs over Yakupov and even on the Sharks. Heck, he can play LW for sure, maybe RW.

2. They're playing in totally different leagues, you can't even compare them with stats.

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I think it suits both teams better.



If Galchenyuk wasn't available when Montreal drafted, I think Montreal's choice would of been between Teuvo Teravainen, Murray, or Rielly in that order, tbh. You can believe whatever you want but there's no basis or fact for what you believe in.
You know the Habs?

Filip Forsberg, Mikhail Grigorenko, Rielly? Not too sure after that.

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You know the Habs?

Filip Forsberg, Mikhail Grigorenko, Rielly? Not too sure after that.
Forsberg and Grigorenko were never in the picture, I wonder if Collberg was ahead of both of them on the Habs drafting list.

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Forsberg and Grigorenko were never in the picture, I wonder if Collberg was ahead of both of them on the Habs drafting list.
I'm pretty sure there was confusion the weeks before where people thought one of those two might be picked. Then Galchenyuk surged ahead at the end.

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I'm pretty sure there was confusion the weeks before where people thought one of those two might be picked. Then Galchenyuk surged ahead at the end.
There are two different things here: (1) who the Habs management were planning to draft and (2) who the Hab fans wanted drafted. Galchenyuk was preferred by a little more then 50% of Hab fans a couple of months before the draft (based on a poll) and the rest were pretty even split between Grigorenko and Forsberg.

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Galchenyuk has NEVER been better than Yakupov. In the year they played together Yakupov had almost 20 points of production on him. If Yakupov was in the OHL right now there is no doubt he would be out producing him again. I like how Montreal fans are quick to point out that fact that they would have drafted Galchenyuk first overall, that's a huge lie, if MTL was lucky enough to win the lottery they would be all over Yakupov.

Scoring close to a PPG in the KHL is >>>> scoring close to a 2PPG in the OHL.. Which Yakupov was already doing last year before his injury.
The year they played together was nearly 2 years ago. If you were to conduct an unbiased analysis you would take into consideration that Yak is nearly 8 months older than Galy. Lets compare Yak 8 months ago to Galy now. On that basis its a lot closer and some could make the argument that Galy is ahead of Yak when taking into account their relative age.

As for Yakupov's production in the KHL vs Galy's production in the OHL... somewhat irrelevant. Who's to say that Galy wouldn't produce a ppg in the KHL? All of this is extrapolation (including my relative age analysis). In otherwords, until both players are playing in the NHL, no one can really decide who is the better prospect as of now.

As for Subban for Yak - please put an end to this. Oilers say maybe and the Habs say HELL NO.

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It would leave a big gap on the wing. I'm not confident with Hartikainen in a top 6 role just yet. Value may be close but Montreal would have to add to get the Oilers to bite, IMO.

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