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01-11-2013, 09:27 PM
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Keep dreaming. Absolute worst case scenario, Gabby gets moved.
So they lose the best offensive player from a team built to win now for a fraction of his worth. In any event the Rangers are put in a bad situation.

Its not that they'd have to give up McDonagh, its that the Rangers are forced to bite some kind of bullet if you could get McDonagh to accept that offersheet.

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For 5.5 million, the Oilers can go right on ahead and offer sheet him. Del Zotto is happy because he's overpaid and rich. Rangers are happy for the 3 picks
I wish Edmonton was that dumb.

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MDZ will get less than $2.5M per year. Sather plays hardball with RFA's, and really Sather has extra leverage given that MDZ hasn't seen a pay check since last season and was only making ELC money then. A hold out would be short lived.

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I wish Edmonton was that dumb.
Fortunately for us they're not, and I don't get the sense Tambo would go the offer sheet route.

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So they lose the best offensive player from a team built to win now for a fraction of his worth. In any event the Rangers are put in a bad situation.

Its not that they'd have to give up McDonagh, its that the Rangers are forced to bite some kind of bullet if you could get McDonagh to accept that offersheet.
They'll likely part with Gaborik as he only has one year on his contract left.

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2013-14 New York Rangers
FORWARDS
Chris Kreider ($1.325m) / Brad Richards ($6.667m) / Marian Gaborik ($7.500m)
Carl Hagelin ($1.500m) / Derek Stepan ($3.000m) / Rick Nash ($7.800m)
Taylor Pyatt ($1.550m) / J.T. Miller ($1.244m) / Ryan Callahan ($4.275m)
Arron Asham ($1.000m) / Brian Boyle ($1.700m) / Micheal Haley ($0.600m)
Jeff Halpern ($0.700m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Ryan McDonagh ($4.500m) / Dan Girardi ($3.325m)
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Anton Stralman ($1.700m)
Michael Del Zotto ($2.500m) / Dylan McIlrath ($1.295m)
Stu Bickel ($0.750m) /
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Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m)
Martin Biron ($1.300m)

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SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $70,680,833
CAP SPACE (23-man roster):- $5,493,333
Replace Gaborik's spot with Callahan, replace Callahan's 3rd line spot with Pyatt. Replace Pyatt's 3rd line LW spot with Jesper Fasth. Should be around 3m in cap space with the RFAs signed.

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I wonder if the rangers would trade Mcdonagh?
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They'll likely part with Gaborik as he only has one year on his contract left.



Replace Gaborik's spot with Callahan, replace Callahan's 3rd line spot with Pyatt. Replace Pyatt's 3rd line LW spot with Jesper Fasth. Should be around 3m in cap space with the RFAs signed.
You are out to lunch if you think McD signs for under $5M per and MDZ under $3M..

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You are out to lunch if you think McD signs for under $5M per and MDZ under $3M..

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You are out to lunch if you think McD signs for under $5M per and MDZ under $3M..
Want to bet on it? As insane as he is with UFAs Sather hardballs the **** out of RFAs.

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I started reading the thread and all the conflicting viewpoints over who is worth what on each team.

My quick conclusion... too much hassle for the Oilers.

Oilers management will just draft Seth Jones this summer and call it a day.

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I started reading the thread and all the conflicting viewpoints over who is worth what on each team.

My quick conclusion... too much hassle for the Oilers.

Oilers management will just draft Seth Jones this summer and call it a day.
Hard to draft Seth Jones when you are going to be 1st in the west per sports illustrated.

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With what cap space?

FORWARDS
Rick Nash ($7.800m) / Brad Richards ($6.667m) / Marian Gaborik ($7.500m)
Chris Kreider ($1.325m) / Brian Boyle ($1.700m) / Ryan Callahan ($4.275m)
Taylor Pyatt ($1.550m) / Mike Rupp ($1.500m)
Micheal Haley ($0.600m) / Arron Asham ($1.000m)
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Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Dan Girardi ($3.325m)
Michael Del Zotto ($3.000m) / Ryan McDonagh ($5.000m)
Anton Stralman ($1.700m) /
Stu Bickel ($0.750m) /
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SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $65,441,667; BONUSES: $637,500
CAP SPACE (19-man roster):- $,504,167

Look at how much they've got on a 64 million dollar cap, its pretty tiny considering the 4 significant RFA players they've got to retain in the next half a year.

5 Million for McDonagh and you're already over the cap and still need to sign Stepan and Hagelin. If McDonagh makes it past July 1 and he accepts that kind of offer the Rangers either decline to match or start selling players they need (Staal, Callahan, Girardi etc.) for pennies on the dollar. Rangers would be verbs that can't make it past the profanity filter. They'd be so hard up against the cap that they won't be able to retaliate for a while.

Essentially this is the consequence of trading for Nash after signing Richards and Gaborik to big deals.
First of all, subtract 5.6 from this total because you are still counting Redden's contract. So after signing MDZ, there will probably be about $9 million in space to give second contract raises to Stepan, Hagelin and McDonagh. Shouldn't be an issue. Rupp or Pyatt could always be bought out for an extra $1.5 mil if necessary. I know, math is hard.


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Hell they could go to the Cup Finals and still draft #1 overall... this is Tambo Trollface we are talking about... a #1 pick every year is his legacy.

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Hell they could go to the Cup Finals and still draft #1 overall... this is Tambo Trollface we are talking about... a #1 pick every year is his legacy.
It's every team that's outta the playoffs right?

We'll just have to trade for Calgary's 1st.

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Hell they could go to the Cup Finals and still draft #1 overall... this is Tambo Trollface we are talking about... a #1 pick every year is his legacy.


Still creepy as ****.

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Hard to draft Seth Jones when you are going to be 1st in the west per sports illustrated.
Is this regarding the power rankings? If so, you don't understand what it means.

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First of all, subtract 5.6 from this total because you are still counting Redden's contract. So after signing MDZ, there will probably be about $9 million in space to give second contract raises to Stepan, Hagelin and McDonagh. Shouldn't be an issue. Rupp or Pyatt could always be bought out for an extra $1.5 mil if necessary. I know, math is hard.
Apparently math isn't as hard as reading comp!

Redden isn't on that chart you arrogant illiterate.

Meanwhile, Rupp and Pyatt make about 1.5 and would have to be replaced by another roster player making at league minimum. With a buyout you'd only get only about 1M marginal cap back, that isn't nearly enough to help any, only the 4+M contracts are large enough to get room for the remaining roster players. If you have about 8 million in cap on Del Zotto and McDonagh that means that NYR is maxed out on cap with 2 RFA forwards to sign and 2 players short of a 20 man roster.

In conclusion, if McDonagh makes 5 million next year the Rangers must lose at least one core roster player for next season.

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Apparently math isn't as hard as reading comp!

Redden isn't on that chart you arrogant illiterate.

Meanwhile, Rupp and Pyatt make about 1.5 and would have to be replaced by another roster player making at league minimum. With a buyout you'd only get only about 1M marginal cap back, that isn't nearly enough to help any, only the 4+M contracts are large enough to get room for the remaining roster players. If you have about 8 million in cap on Del Zotto and McDonagh that means that NYR is maxed out on cap with 2 RFA forwards to sign and 2 players short of a 20 man roster.

In conclusion, if McDonagh makes 5 million next year the Rangers must lose at least one core roster player for next season.
You got me into this by your eloquent phrasing

2013/2014 NEW YORK RANGERS

FORWARDS
Rick Nash ($7.800m) / Brad Richards ($6.667m) / Ryan Callahan ($4.275m)
Chris Kreider ($1.325m) / Derek Stepan ($2.800m) / Marian Gaborik ($7.500m)
Carl Hagelin ($2.000m) / Brian Boyle ($1.700m) / Taylor Pyatt ($1.550m)
Mike Rupp ($1.500m) / J.T. Miller ($1.244m) / Arron Asham ($1.000m)
Micheal Haley ($0.600m)
Forwards cap hit = $39.961m

DEFENSEMEN
Ryan McDonaugh ($4.000m) / Dan Girardi ($3.325m)
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Anton Stralman ($1.700m)
Michael Del Zotto ($2.500m) / Dylan McIlrath ($1.295m)
Stu Bickel ($0.750m)
Defensemens cap hit = $17.745m

GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m)
Martin Biron ($1.300m)
Goaltenders cap hit = $8.175m
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000
CAP PAYROLL: $67,147,500
CAP HIT: $65,680,833
BONUSES (deferrable): $887,500
CAP SPACE (22-man roster):- $493,333

The only real roster changes in this above scenario I foresee from this year (2013) would be replacing our 2 UFAs in C Jeff Halpern with #1st round draft pick JT Miller and D Steve Eminger with #1st round draft pick Dylan McIlrath. This would however add to the cap hit. There will almost certainly be more/other changes nobody can foresee, and nothing guarantees that Miller and/or Big Mac are NHL ready next year.

Some "fat" needs to be trimmed to get under the cap
Contracts like Pyatt, Rupp, Boyle , Asham and Stralman would be the usual suspects here.
Guys like Lindberg, Fast, Kolarik, Hrivik and Newbury would be potential replacement names from within the organization with a lower price tag.
Replacing Rupp (trade for low pick or buyout) and Pyatt (trade for low pick) with Lindberg and Fast/Hrivik would save $1,5M on the cap allowing this to work.
Replacing/omitting someone like Haley or Biron might be options too, although the former creates no actual cap space

This is also presuming that the key RFA contract numbers wind up something like this:
  • MDZ (2013) $2,500m 2 years
  • McD (2014) $4,000m 3 years
  • Stepan (2014) $2,800m 3 years
  • Hagelin (2014) $2,000m 2 years

I know that some people, maybe entirely correctly, think that MDZ will get a longer deal with a substantially higher cap hit. Time will tell here. But only if you have a functioning crystal ball then you might be able to give more accurate figures here (and then there would be better ways of using that "ball"). They can of course be debated either way.

Nonetheless - it is within the realm of possibility that we can keep the team intact (resigning all 4 key RFAs) and keeping the core including Ghidorah if we get really creative and get rid of some minor roster fat. Is it likely? I do not know. Nobody does. But it certainly will be interesting to follow...


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Apparently math isn't as hard as reading comp!

Redden isn't on that chart you arrogant illiterate.

Meanwhile, Rupp and Pyatt make about 1.5 and would have to be replaced by another roster player making at league minimum. With a buyout you'd only get only about 1M marginal cap back, that isn't nearly enough to help any, only the 4+M contracts are large enough to get room for the remaining roster players. If you have about 8 million in cap on Del Zotto and McDonagh that means that NYR is maxed out on cap with 2 RFA forwards to sign and 2 players short of a 20 man roster.

In conclusion, if McDonagh makes 5 million next year the Rangers must lose at least one core roster player for next season.
Bust out your calculator captain math, because all the salaries you listed only add up to 59.5, not the 65 mil you are claiming. Suspiciously close to the 5.6 mil charge for Redden that you are claiming isn't included. Plenty for Stepan and Hagelin, especially if you factor in a Rupp buyout. Wouldn't count on Mcdonagh becoming the rangers highest paid defenseman on his 2nd contract either. That's just not how Sather operates.

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Sather's recent 2nd contract signings:
2009- Callahan (2.3M), Dubinsky (1.5M)
2010- Staal (3.975M), Girardi (3.325M)
2011- Anisimov (1.875M)

Are these the 2nd contracts that people are referring to? Admittedly don't know but knew these players recently graduated from their ELC. Let me know if I'm missing some.

Anyways, that's Callahan, Anisimov and Dubinsky off of 40 point seasons.. pretty good signings all on 2 year deals, no UFA years bought.

Then you have Staal and Girardi both on deals that bought out one UFA year, if i'm not mistaken. Staal was coming off a very impressive season of his own. Girardi, I can't really say but he didn't really emerge into the top 2 dman he is today until the last year or so.

MDZ is coming off a pretty impressive 40 point season of his own... playing defense. Gotta think he commands more than 2.5M even with Sather hardballing him here. We'll find out pretty soon but I think 3M-3.25M for 2-3 years is most likely. Closer to Staal's deal if a UFA year is bought out.


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Sather's recent 2nd contract signings:
2009- Callahan (2.3M), Dubinsky (1.5M)
2010- Staal (3.975M), Girardi (3.325M)
2011- Anisimov (1.875M)

Are these the 2nd contracts that people are referring to? Admittedly don't know but knew these players recently graduated from their ELC. Let me know if I'm missing some.

Anyways, that's Callahan, Anisimov and Dubinsky off of 40 point seasons.. pretty good signings all on 2 year deals, no UFA years bought.

Then you have Staal and Girardi both on deals that bought out one UFA year, if i'm not mistaken. Staal was coming off a very impressive season of his own. Girardi, I can't really say but he didn't really emerge into the top 2 dman he is today until the last year or so.

MDZ is coming off a pretty impressive 40 point season of his own... playing defense. Gotta think he commands more than 2.5M even with Sather hardballing him here. We'll find out pretty soon but I think 3M-3.25M for 2-3 years is most likely. Closer to Staal's deal if a UFA year is bought out.
Marc Staal signed a 5 year deal in 2010. Bought one year of UFA eligibility as a group 3. He was then a 23 year old with arbitration rights. He got an average of 3.975M for these 5 years.

Dan Girardi was also signed in 2010 as an RFA with full arbitration rights. It was also his third contract. He signed for 4 years buying 2 years of UFA status. He cost $3.325M per annum.

Michael del Zotto is 21 years old. He has no arbiration rights (1 season remaining). He has 4 years until he reaches UFA status. He has a good year behind him. He will get $2,5M (MAXIMUM) for 2 years. $3M for 3 years or $3,5M for 4 years. Since Sather needs to keep the caphit down to resign RFAs next year - bet on the lower figure and the shorter deal.

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The Rangers, confronting a cap squeeze next season, are believed to have offered Del Zotto a two-year contract worth north of $2.4 million per season. The defenseman, who had been looking for a longer-term deal before the lockout, is believed to be seeking approximately $3 million per season for two years.
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“There’s only so much you can do with these ‘gap’ contracts,” Sather said, referring to contracts for players coming out of Entry Level. “Michael must have his reasons for doing what he’s doing, but the way the system works, he’s going to have to wait his turn.
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Under normal conditions, the NHL has a Dec. 1 deadline for Group II free agents to sign or otherwise be declared ineligible for the season. There is no deadline for this 48-game season that begins a week from tonight in Boston. Still, this hardly provides Del Zotto with leverage.
“Listen, we’ve all missed enough time. I don’t want to see anybody miss even a day more,” Sather said. “It’s certainly not going to do Michael any good.We want him here. He knows that. We’ve done what we can. It’s up to him.”
I guess we see soon enough

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Fortunately for us they're not, and I don't get the sense Tambo would go the offer sheet route.
If a team wants to offer sheet del Zotto to put the Rangers in a bind the proper offer might well be 1 year at $3.35M. The Rangers pretty much have to match since the compensation is a 2nd round pick, and it establishes a qualifying offer of $3.35M for next year.

The Oilers would not do this because of connetions with Sather.

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Keep in mind that Del Zotto started his NHL career as a 19 year old. Any leverage he would gain by sitting out a season (or threatening that) would be nullified by simultaneously pushing him one year farther from UFA. Offer sheet could be a risk (although I certainly wouldn't want to get into a RFA pissing match with Sather), but I definitely wouldn't expect Sather to budge on his offers or to put a 1 year deal on the table.

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