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01-10-2013, 08:07 PM
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so now every player who gets scratched is going to file a grievance with a NHLPA?

People have been bandying this "Redden should file a grievance" for years.

100% The Rangers will have no repercussions from not playing Redden.
In the NHL I would have agreed, in the AHL that is a case that is going to be pursued. They threaten a members right to make a living with hockey, he still gets to play in the AHL. I didn't say he would win, but it is different than what has been happening and I think the NHLPA will file.

Either way I just think if they are moving MDZ, they should really attempt to move him to a team that wil also take Redden. A tough sell, but not impossible, just hurts the asset coming back from MDZ.

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You would for that package. Edmonton would not make that trade.
You have to understand, this particular poster tries to work our captain into every trade proposal because if his own egregious hatred for all things Callahan. I'll have none of it

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In the NHL I would have agreed, in the AHL that is a case that is going to be pursued. They threaten a members right to make a living with hockey, he still gets to play in the AHL. I didn't say he would win, but it is different than what has been happening and I think the NHLPA will file.

Either way I just think if they are moving MDZ, they should really attempt to move him to a team that wil also take Redden. A tough sell, but not impossible, just hurts the asset coming back from MDZ.
Redden threatened his right to make a living playing Hockey with his own play. If he's not playing, it's a coaching decision.

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so now every player who gets scratched is going to file a grievance with a NHLPA?

People have been bandying this "Redden should file a grievance" for years.

100% The Rangers will have no repercussions from not playing Redden.
Difference between scratching a player and forcing a player to abstain from playing hockey altogether. I'd expect the NHLPA to object to the precedent the latter case will set.

But you apparently know what the future holds so no point. I'll just wait and see though. Shouldn't be an issue either way since the likelihood of Redden actually sustaining a long term injury in the AHL or NHL is low.

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Difference between scratching a player and forcing a player to abstain from playing hockey altogether. I'd expect the NHLPA to object to the precedent the latter case will set.

But you apparently know what the future holds so no point. I'll just wait and see though. Shouldn't be an issue either way since the likelihood of Redden actually sustaining a long term injury in the AHL or NHL is low.
Well i've been 100% right all along so I see no reason for that to change now.

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Redden has no right to file a grievance. Don't play like donkey ass and you get playing time. It's that simple.

He's so bad that he's a detriment to the team at any salary.

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Redden can travel around with the team. I don't mind. But he'll be healthy scratch for all 50 games.

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Well i've been 100% right all along so I see no reason for that to change now.
Ok Nostradamus.

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Redden has no right to file a grievance. Don't play like donkey ass and you get playing time. It's that simple.

He's so bad that he's a detriment to the team at any salary.
Redden isn't filing anything. The NHLPA would look to IMO. They don't care about Redden's specific case, more the precedent it would set in terms of forcing players on bad deals to abstain from playing hockey altogether.

Also, let's be real here.. Redden isn't the only reason he's in the minors.. his contract and cap hit played a large role. I find it hard to believe you when you say he's a detriment at any salary when you haven't seen him play at the NHL level in years and well, there are some pretty bad defensemen in the league making league minimum.

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Ok Nostradamus.



Redden isn't filing anything. The NHLPA would look to IMO. They don't care about Redden's specific case, more the precedent it would set in terms of forcing players on bad deals to abstain from playing hockey altogether.

Also, let's be real here.. Redden isn't the only reason he's in the minors.. his contract and cap hit played a large role. I find it hard to believe you when you say he's a detriment at any salary when you haven't seen him play at the NHL level in years and well, there are some pretty bad defensemen in the league making league minimum.
Redden's play landed him in the minors. He has been unimpressive in the AHL. He forced himself to abstain from playing hockey.

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Redden's play landed him in the minors. He has been unimpressive in the AHL. He forced himself to abstain from playing hockey.
Redden's play relative to his cap hit is what landed him in the minors. He also has been playing hockey.. in the AHL.

If he's on a minimum salary deal, many teams would want him even if it was purely for veteran leadership.

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I would absolutely work with this. I doubt many oilers fans would though.
If I could ignore the non-hockey aspects (i.e. how it'd look for other players on the team, Zharkov, media disruption, etc...) then I'd consider it.

Yakupov should be a fantastic player but MDZ could be as valuable. It would depend on what the + is.

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Redden's play relative to his cap hit is what landed him in the minors. He also has been playing hockey.. in the AHL.

If he's on a minimum salary deal, many teams would want him even if it was purely for veteran leadership.
He's been playing POORLY in the AHL. Whatever his cap hit is, Tortorella did not want him on the team anymore due to his PLAY.

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Yakupov for MDZ + Stepan or Yakupov for McDonaugh.
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Also, let's be real here.. Redden isn't the only reason he's in the minors.. his contract and cap hit played a large role. I find it hard to believe you when you say he's a detriment at any salary when you haven't seen him play at the NHL level in years and well, there are some pretty bad defensemen in the league making league minimum.
Totally disagree. Redden at league minimum would still be in the minors because he ****ing blows.

His play was detrimental to the team. It's that simple.

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Wasn't he servicable as a bottom pairing in his last season on the Rags roster?

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Wasn't he servicable as a bottom pairing in his last season on the Rags roster?
Not enough for Torts

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Wasn't he servicable as a bottom pairing in his last season on the Rags roster?
Yeah, 41 points and 12th in Norris voting is serviceable.

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Not enough for Torts
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Huh?
****, I'm jumping between this thread and the Redden thread, my bad

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****, I'm jumping between this thread and the Redden thread, my bad
Rookies......

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****, I'm jumping between this thread and the Redden thread, my bad
You were right. SBOB, pretty sure the poster you quoted was referring to Redden.

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Fans from both teams need to take a step back from the"rumor" and look at things objectively.

1st: the players Rangers fans keep asking for all make $3.8 million or more, so why not just sign MDZ for the 3 million if its money your trying to save?

2nd: Oilers fans need to realize that MDZ scored 41 points last year and is too valuble to pick up with scraps.

If this deal is a real possibility then the player going back will be Klefbom and a 1st round pick in 2014. There has to be a real soid prospect going the other way on an affordable contract for the rangers to do this deal. I would say Klefbom is solid enough to interest the rangers and the oilers would be getting a player ready to step in right now.

If this package is not enough then the oiles would have to be out of the running IMO.

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I could see the Oilers being interested, though doesn't seem as though we would have assets the Rangers would want that we would actually give up.

Also, we seem to be in need of a defensive minded guy more than an offensive guy.

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I don't really see why Schultz would be more valuable than MDZ. Edmonton would be thrilled if Schultz turned into the defenseman that MDZ currently is.

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