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01-10-2013, 06:13 PM
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A: He's 33.
He is, but he's also 35 next season.

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He is, but he's also 35 next season.
But he was 32 the season before.

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And you'd be dreaming if you think Luongo could even fetch one of Larsson's skates.
Kind of like Leaf fans who think they can get Luongo for Bozak & Kadri.

Bozak doesn't even get you Luongo's jock & Kadri... what has he done? PPG in the AHL? Like no busts have ever done that.


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The six week figure was based on reports from December saying the time table for the return was months.

Higgins or Schroeder will not be your #2 Centre. You'll be trading Luongo or signing a vet like Arnott as a stop gap.
gotta love others telling us how our team will be built

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He is, but he's also 35 next season.
Give us Kessel, he's UFA next season.

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not everything is garbage, but not everything is useful to vancouver. We don't need useless players to us.
Guys like Lupul, Gardiner or even Grabovski are different elements. Kadri Torontos first and Rielly are longer term benefits, but again add something we don't have in our system at present. Lombardi, Connolly, Kulemin, Bozak, MacArthur, later picks, Reimer, Scrivens and many prospects that are being offered are redundant in our system or hold little value due to the availability of other similar players. Plus seeing variations of the same 6 players on every proposal makes us think you don't value these players.

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But he was 32 the season before.
Unfortunately he's only getting older

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Unfortunately he's only getting older
I was hoping you wouldn't notice.

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I honestly feel at this point that you're just blindly arguing.

If the Canucks had no #1C, Edler, one prospect like Rielly, no goaltender and a defense that looks like ours after the trade, there's no way you'd trade Edler for a 34 year old goalie, even if he was great. You still need a way to compete after you get that great goaltender. Juice isn't worth the squeeze.
Your post was a little confusing with all the commas, but are you comparing Gardiner to Edler?

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I was hoping you wouldn't notice.
You mean your hoping Nonis doesn't notice.

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Kind of like Leaf fans who think they can get Luongo for Bozak & Kadri.

Bozak doesn't even get you Luongo's jock & Kadri... what has he done? PPG in the AHL? Like no busts have ever done that.



gotta love others telling us how our team will be built
Not worth stooping to their level.

The only team not desperate to do something in this situation is Vancouver, and it certainly shows in the posts in these threads. Its been two days and Leaf fans are already going all out to drag Luongo's name through the mud.

Bravo.

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Your post was a little confusing with all the commas, but are you comparing Gardiner to Edler?
I never brought up Edler, I'm responding to someone's hypothetical rebuttal because they said they would trade Edler for Luongo if the Canucks were in Toronto's position. I think that's complete silliness.

I did not ever compare Gardiner to Edler.

**My apologies, I'm trying to keep straight two different arguments - one guy used Edler, one guy used a 24 year old Ohlund. Regardless, my answer is the same.

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Kind of like Leaf fans who think they can get Luongo for Bozak & Kadri.

Bozak doesn't even get you Luongo's jock & Kadri... what has he done? PPG in the AHL? Like no busts have ever done that.



gotta love others telling us how our team will be built
You mean like Alexandre "32 points in 34 games for the Pirates" Bolduc? Where was that when he was in the Canucks system? That being said, I actually like Kadri.

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so???
Part of a deal is receiving the contract..?

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5.3 million dollars is going to be nothing five years later. Remember the cap used to be 39 million dollars back in 06, even if the cap does goes back down to 60 million dollars next season, its still a 21 million dollars increase!
Dont think the cap can go below 64.3 under this CBA. But if it could, I believe the cap would be less than 60. Id be surprised if we make 2.5 billion next season. Besides, who wants a 5.3 million dollar cap hit for someone not playing (if he retires early)? This lockout I think will be a big blow to the NHL, unlike last time. Last time the NHL NEEDED it. This time we didnt need to fix problems, this lockout most can't wrap their heads around. A big reason was cap circumvention but they should have made those rules last time to avoid this.

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Guys like Lupul, Gardiner or even Grabovski are different elements. Kadri Torontos first and Rielly are longer term benefits, but again add something we don't have in our system at present. Lombardi, Connolly, Kulemin, Bozak, MacArthur, later picks, Reimer, Scrivens and many prospects that are being offered are redundant in our system or hold little value due to the availability of other similar players. Plus seeing variations of the same 6 players on every proposal makes us think you don't value these players.
Do you not see the irony in this statement?

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Kadri... what has he done? PPG in the AHL? Like no busts have ever done that.
This is the first time I've ever heard a negative spin on a prospect performing well in the AHL.

Give it a rest.

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Indeed it makes a difference, but you also get 6-7 years of quality goalies, which you currently don't have.
6-7 years is being extremely generous. If he was as good as you claim, he wouldn't lose hs job to an unproven goalie.

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I honestly feel at this point that you're just blindly arguing.

If the Canucks had no #1C, Edler, one prospect like Rielly, no goaltender and a defense that looks like ours after the trade, there's no way you'd trade Edler for a 34 year old goalie, even if he was great. You still need a way to compete after you get that great goaltender. Juice isn't worth the squeeze.
Agree to disagree here. Maybe I value a number one goalie over a number one defenseman more than you do.

I think they are much harder to acquire and even at 33, many of the top end goalies maintained that level if play to 38 and a few beyond that.

Edler or Gardiner or Ohlund aren't going to effect winning as much as Luongo would and if you wait to develop a goalie or keep trying to get by on average goaltending, you are burning off several of those players best years, not to mention the likelihood of top players like Kessel and Lupul looking for an opportunity to win somewhere else. To continue with mediocrity is futile and more of a squandering of that talent than trading it away to improve.

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Do you not see the irony in this statement?
Looks up. Sees title of thread is the Luongo thread.
Maybe you are lost?

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Goaltending is over-rated if you are strong down the middle (and in other areas).

Pittsburgh had Crosby, Malkin, Staal
Philly had Giroux, Briere, Couturier, Schenn

Since the lockout, virtually every cup champ had 1-2 (or 3) punch down the middle that was good, if not great (anaheim maybe being the exception, but McDonald and Getzlaf were pretty good that year). On the flipside, those cup champs didn't always have an elite goalie.
YOu're forgetting the amazing cup run for Sammy Phalsson, arguably the most important center on the team that year.

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Looks up. Sees title of thread is the Luongo thread.
Maybe you are lost?
I was referring more to chucking in guys like Raymond and Ballard

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Part of a deal is receiving the contract..?

Dont think the cap can go below 64.3 under this CBA. But if it could, I believe the cap would be less than 60. Id be surprised if we make 2.5 billion next season. Besides, who wants a 5.3 million dollar cap hit for someone not playing (if he retires early)? This lockout I think will be a big blow to the NHL, unlike last time. Last time the NHL NEEDED it. This time we didnt need to fix problems, this lockout most can't wrap their heads around. A big reason was cap circumvention but they should have made those rules last time to avoid this.
Luongo's cap penalty would likely be 2 mil, not 5.3.

Also, why not give us something around Lupul, who also has a bad contract status(although for opposite reasons), and quite a few question marks of his own?

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Do you not see the irony in this statement?
I think most do, it's getting silly at this point.

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Luongo's cap penalty would likely be 2 mil, not 5.3.

Also, why not give us something around Lupul, who also has a bad contract status(although for opposite reasons), and quite a few question marks of his own?
This needs to be emphasized. As I understand it, Van remains on the hook for some of the cap hit if Luongo retires.

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Agree to disagree here. Maybe I value a number one goalie over a number one defenseman more than you do.

I think they are much harder to acquire and even at 33, many of the top end goalies maintained that level if play to 38 and a few beyond that.

Edler or Gardiner or Ohlund aren't going to effect winning as much as Luongo would and if you wait to develop a goalie or keep trying to get by on average goaltending, you are burning off several of those players best years, not to mention the likelihood of top players like Kessel and Lupul looking for an opportunity to win somewhere else. To continue with mediocrity is futile and more of a squandering of that talent than trading it away to improve.
Firmly believe that if the Leafs are rumoured to be making this deal with a club that is not Vancouver, Vancouver fans likely would be snickering about how typical it is that the Leafs give up another top prospect to try and win now. Absolutely 100%.

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Luongo's cap penalty would likely be 2 mil, not 5.3.

Also, why not give us something around Lupul, who also has a bad contract status(although for opposite reasons), and quite a few question marks of his own?
How so? Do they just take yearly salary, rather than cap hit? If so, that's nothing. I think we currently have Army and Tucker taking up 2 mill

Because him and Phil are incredible together. He's likely to resign, I'd bet. If not, I'd entertain the idea.

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