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That's a hell of a lot more valuable than the two 1sts and a 2nd he was dealt for 3 years ago
I won't speak for Florida fans, but I'd wager most, if not all, would decline to part with Huberdeau and Markstrom for Luongo and two years of Kessel. Would the Leafs part with Rielly and Gardiner for Luongo and Edler?
How could you possibly compare the two trades? One's a goalie we don't want, and a defenseman to a team that is absolutely loaded with backend depth and future talent. The other is a PPG sniper that Florida doesn't have, nor do they have anyone near his capability.
In addition, of course Kessel's value is "hell of a lot more" than it was when they traded for him. He's only increased his production and play since.
How could you possibly compare the two trades? One's a goalie we don't want, and a defenseman to a team that is absolutely loaded with backend depth and future talent. The other is a PPG sniper that Florida doesn't have, nor do they have anyone near his capability.
In addition, of course Kessel's value is "hell of a lot more" than it was when they traded for him. He's only increased his production and play since.
If you don't want Luongo why would Florida?
Also, I really don't think Kessel's value is any higher than it was then. He was coming off a 36-goal season as a 21-year old and was further than 2 years from UFA. There's no way he returns Huberdeau and Markstrom on his own.
Also, I really don't think Kessel's value is any higher than it was then. He was coming off a 36-goal season as a 21-year old and was further than 2 years from UFA. There's no way he returns Huberdeau and Markstrom on his own.
Kessel is coming off a PPG season, and there was a contract dispute with the Bruins, and the Leafs threatened to offer sheet him, I believe.
Wrong. Schenn has been playing LW since he has put on a Flyers Sweater. Briere is not going to be here very much longer. He will be the 2C behind Giroux and Schenn will be on either his line or Girouxs. Laughton is the 3C of the future. I'm going to go ahead and say I wouldn't trade Couturier for Kessel straight up either. It's not about points or who is the better player. But in the division we play in we need at least one guy who has the defensive capabilities he does to play against Pitt, NYR, NJ, and NYI. Giroux is going to make any body he plays with into a first line forward. And btw Hartnell and Voracek are no slouches either. Our forward group is fine as is. We need D not more goals. Not to mention Kessel's cap hit vs Couturier's significantly reduces the moves we can make in bringing in another defensemen.
Wrong. Kessel holds significantly more value than Couturier and Giroux is going to need a capable winger soon enough. Couturier is not going to want to wait at #3C while waiting for Briere to retire or behind Schenn, who is a natural center. #3 centers are fairly easy to come by with decent defense while top line scoring wingers aren't. Kessel has a higher cap hit because he is obviously the better player and would thrive with a decent center playing with him. Hartnell is a complete slouch and should be nowhere near a first line in the NHL and Voracek might be a good first liner some day. I realize that you think that you would rather have Couturier because of team needs but imo Talbot is a capable #3C and you just can't pass up on a deal like that because the value is just too lopsided.
Wrong. Kessel holds significantly more value than Couturier and Giroux is going to need a capable winger soon enough. Couturier is not going to want to wait at #3C while waiting for Briere to retire or behind Schenn, who is a natural center. #3 centers are fairly easy to come by with decent defense while top line scoring wingers aren't. Kessel has a higher cap hit because he is obviously the better player and would thrive with a decent center playing with him. Hartnell is a complete slouch and should be nowhere near a first line in the NHL and Voracek might be a good first liner some day. I realize that you think that you would rather have Couturier because of team needs but imo Talbot is a capable #3C and you just can't pass up on a deal like that because the value is just too lopsided.
Again, Couturier is where Kessel was at his age offensively while being far better defensively and more physically involved than Kessel will ever be.
If he's good enough to be a 2C... he'll be a 2C. They're not gonna keep him below Schenn on purpose, and he's a much better player than Schenn. Schenn will be a 3C, W or traded.
Why is it hard to imagine an 18 year old player who got 27 points in 77 games while being his team's #1 shutdown forward, playing with offensively inept 3rd and 4th liners becoming a 25G, 65-70P selke caliber 2C? He certainly has the offensive skills for it. He's a great stickhandler, has a top 6 caliber shot, is a good passer and his speed isn't as bad as people thought before the draft. For all the hype Kessel gets he's still a 35-40 goal PPG player who brings nothing else to the table. If the Flyers are desperate for that type of winger for Giroux they can just sign Semin this summer.
Again, Couturier is where Kessel was at his age offensively while being far better defensively and more physically involved than Kessel will ever be.
If he's good enough to be a 2C... he'll be a 2C. They're not gonna keep him below Schenn on purpose, and he's a much better player than Schenn. Schenn will be a 3C, W or traded.
Why is it hard to imagine an 18 year old player who got 27 points in 77 games while being his team's #1 shutdown forward, playing with offensively inept 3rd and 4th liners becoming a 25G, 65-70P selke caliber 2C? He certainly has the offensive skills for it. For all the hype Kessel gets he's still a 35-40 goal PPG player who brings nothing else to the table. If the Flyers are desperate for that type of winger for Giroux they can just sign Semin this summer.
Let him reach that feat before you hype Couturier doing it because he's still a prospect while Kessel is proven at the pro level.
Wrong. Kessel holds significantly more value than Couturier and Giroux is going to need a capable winger soon enough. Couturier is not going to want to wait at #3C while waiting for Briere to retire or behind Schenn, who is a natural center. #3 centers are fairly easy to come by with decent defense while top line scoring wingers aren't. Kessel has a higher cap hit because he is obviously the better player and would thrive with a decent center playing with him. Hartnell is a complete slouch and should be nowhere near a first line in the NHL and Voracek might be a good first liner some day. I realize that you think that you would rather have Couturier because of team needs but imo Talbot is a capable #3C and you just can't pass up on a deal like that because the value is just too lopsided.
Again, Schenn has not played center since he got here. Couturier will be the 3C this year may get limited PP time. Thats the natural progression from a 4C last year. He will likely be a 2C as soon as next year. Either Briere will be bought out or will be moved to the wing. Yes, myself and almost every other Flyers fan who has posted in this thread prefers Couturier to Kessel. He fills a need, Kessel does not. FTR Hartnell had 37 goals last year and will likely continue at a similair pace as long as he is on that line. He has been on our most successful line every year he has been here. Voracek will be our top line RW this year and likely will see a significant increase in production.
Why no comments except one about my offer of Gardiner for Couts +. Again fills the need for both teams I understand this a Kessel to Philly thread but that doesn't solve anyones needs...This trade makes alot more sense for both teams. What does the flyer fans think of this instead??
Why no comments except one about my offer of Gardiner for Couts +. Again fills the need for both teams I understand this a Kessel to Philly thread but that doesn't solve anyones needs...This trade makes alot more sense for both teams. What does the flyer fans think of this instead??
Teams place a premium on a variety of positions.
But top line centers or players with that potential are going to be premium assets.
Gardiner is no doubt a top 4 d man going forward. But couturier Has potential to develop into a top line center or a second line center. Those players are rare and hard to obtain. As a TML fan you should know this.
But top line centers or players with that potential are going to be premium assets.
Gardiner is no doubt a top 4 d man going forward. But couturier Has potential to develop into a top line center or a second line center. Those players are rare and hard to obtain. As a TML fan you should know this.
This deal is about what we both need now and the future. Your right in the fact potential 1C is hard to come by but so is a top D - man with enormous offensive upside. Couts is on your 3/4 line and Jake is on our top pairing. Philly needs top young D-men and Toronto needs a #1 C. As a Philly fan you should know that also.
This deal is about what we both need now and the future. Your right in the fact potential 1C is hard to come by but so is a top D - man with enormous offensive upside. Couts is on your 3/4 line and Jake is on our top pairing. Philly needs top young D-men and Toronto needs a #1 C. As a Philly fan you should know that also.
I like our Core of Dman. Coburn and Grossman can log big minutes. Schenn and Kimmo are solid veterans. And Mez is back with some youth on that pairing.
The role of a true # 1 man dman is overstated. And very very very few actually exist. Gardiner is not one.
Let him reach that feat before you hype Couturier doing it because he's still a prospect while Kessel is proven at the pro level.
He's already an excellent 3C.
Couturier has proven more than Kessel had at his age. It's a bit unfair to hold "unproven" against him since Kessel has 5 years on him. He can regress or not develop but Kessel can regress as well.
