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View Poll Results: Our Goalie Situation - What's the Fix?
Stick with Crawford - he'll bounce back 28 36.84%
Assume Emery Will Become Our # 1 4 5.26%
Wait for a Prospect to Be Ready (plz specify who) 3 3.95%
Trade for a Goalie (plz specify who) 21 27.63%
Sign a free agent Goalie (plz specify who) 0 0%
Reconcile ourselves to the fact we're weak in goal and our strength will come from elsewhere 17 22.37%
Other (plz specify) 3 3.95%
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01-17-2013, 05:51 PM
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As long as the current Hawks brass is in place and Rocky is the owner, there's not a snowballs chance in hell Chicago ever goes back to being as bad, for as long as they were, in the early-mid 2000's. I'm not saying this team will never be bad again.. they likely will, at some point.. but that's part of hockey. Each franchise has ups and downs, the key is making sure you don't stay down very long.

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Are you kidding, my scenario is middle of the road, you want me to begin to give worst case scenario.

We lose all 3 of those players, or least them in their prime.

Toews starts to suffer from concussions at a Crosby like rate and can't stay on the ice anymore.

Kane not wanting to play in Chicago with aging stars and a captain who can't stay on the ice leaves after his contract.

Bolland doesn't get any better and is a middle of the road 2nd line C at best.

Our prospects don't pan out at all and the Hawks instead of being a good team in 5 years they are a train wreck the likes of 2000-2006 and no one wants to go see them play anymore.

And that's not even the absolute worst case scenario
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You're right, that's downright stupid.

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You're right, that's downright stupid.
No, what's stupid is your belief that this team won't get worse when Hossa, Sharp and Keith aren't here or the same players anymore. That's not even smart logical thinking, that fantasy land thinking. Oh 3 All-Star players gone, team won't miss them at all.

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No, what's stupid is your belief that this team won't get worse when Hossa, Sharp and Keith aren't here or the same players anymore. That's not even smart logical thinking, that fantasy land thinking. Oh 3 All-Star players gone, team won't miss them at all.
It will, it just won't happen anytime soon.
If one or two of them did go down, Rocky would just buy another one.

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01-17-2013, 08:09 PM
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It will, it just won't happen anytime soon.
If one or two of them did go down, Rocky would just buy another one.
Just buy another one. Where is that Norris Trophy winning D-man store?

I heard it was on Elm but they moved recently, can you give me the new address?

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No, what's stupid is your belief that this team won't get worse when Hossa, Sharp and Keith aren't here or the same players anymore. That's not even smart logical thinking, that fantasy land thinking. Oh 3 All-Star players gone, team won't miss them at all.
Jesus....Keith is 29. Hey when Jonathan Toews retires the Hawks might suck!

These doom and gloom scenarios are hilarious. How long until Keith is gone? He's under contract with us so long that it is very likely he will be a Hawk until he retires.

Sharp is a good player but he's replaceable. Remember what a late bloomer he was. A good scorer but not necessarily a completely exceptional player.

Nobody knows what's going to happen in 5 years. Hawks won the Cup with a not-100% Hossa in a season where he only played half the games.

If you think losing late-bloomer Sharp & post-peak oft-injured Hossa is what is going to cause decline for Hawks I think you are missing the point. Part of Hossa's cap hit, Keith's cap hit being on the books well after they are retired...those are issues.

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Just buy another one. Where is that Norris Trophy winning D-man store?

I heard it was on Elm but they moved recently, can you give me the new address?
Keith is not a Norris Trophy Dman now, but we don't need to worry about him for another 7 years more than likely. But there will always be top UFAs to choose from, it happens every year.

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Keith is not a Norris Trophy Dman now, but we don't need to worry about him for another 7 years more than likely. But there will always be top UFAs to choose from, it happens every year.
Yeah and like every year the choose other places. Remember when the Hawks where on the verge of signing Parise or Broduer, what happened.

Just because top level FA become available every year doesn't mean the Hawks can sign them.

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We need to trade for future #1.

Current #1 goalie prices are sky high, we need to use our scouting resources and go get Khudobin/Bachman/ or other young "on the verge of breaking to starter". Stick with Emery on the goal for tutoring the youngster.

This season is lost on goal unless Crow bounces back, bet on next season/future and get the future top 10 goalie.

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01-18-2013, 05:35 AM
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Khubodin starter

I'd consider a 1st for Jack Campbell. Stars have Bachman and Lehtonen for the next 5 years or even longer. Too bad JN wouldn't give us Campbell for a 1st.

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Yeah and like every year the choose other places. Remember when the Hawks where on the verge of signing Parise or Broduer, what happened.

Just because top level FA become available every year doesn't mean the Hawks can sign them.
And when some of our stars begin to fade and their salary comes off the books, we will have other opportunities to fill the holes. It's not like Sharp, Hossa, Keith, and whoever else you want to add to the list are all going to retire at the exact same time and then our roster won't change. As they go, we will have prospects come up, sign UFAs, etc. Sure, if half our core just quit right now all of a sudden we would be in trouble. It will be a transition and we will transition other players in as they go.

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We need to trade for future #1.

Current #1 goalie prices are sky high, we need to use our scouting resources and go get Khudobin/Bachman/ or other young "on the verge of breaking to starter". Stick with Emery on the goal for tutoring the youngster.

This season is lost on goal unless Crow bounces back, bet on next season/future and get the future top 10 goalie.
Khudobin is 26 years old and has played a total of 7 NHL games, he is a never will be.

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And when some of our stars begin to fade and their salary comes off the books, we will have other opportunities to fill the holes. It's not like Sharp, Hossa, Keith, and whoever else you want to add to the list are all going to retire at the exact same time and then our roster won't change. As they go, we will have prospects come up, sign UFAs, etc. Sure, if half our core just quit right now all of a sudden we would be in trouble. It will be a transition and we will transition other players in as they go.
1. Hossa, Sharp and Keith are amazing talents, rare to find NHL players

2. None of our prospects will fill any of their holes, especially Hossa and Keith, TT and maybe Saad could be goal scores in the NHL, neither are as good two way players as Sharp and Hossa though

3. Yes UFAs, become available every year, and every year you have to battle several other teams to get them. There is no guarantee you get those guys. I remember for a week or so in the summer when Parise was Chicagos, no questions asked, then oops.

The Hawks have this amazing set of talent now, a set of talent that comes along once in a great while and very likely won't happen again any time soon. They need to capitalize now while they have this talent. Bowman needs to get off his ###, grow a pair and makes the moves necessary to fill these holes. Otherwhise he'll piss away the better part of these guys careers and 10 years from now all of you will complain about how many Cups this team should have won but didn't because Bowman was either, incompetent, a coward or both.

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1. Hossa, Sharp and Keith are amazing talents, rare to find NHL players

2. None of our prospects will fill any of their holes, especially Hossa and Keith, TT and maybe Saad could be goal scores in the NHL, neither are as good two way players as Sharp and Hossa though

3. Yes UFAs, become available every year, and every year you have to battle several other teams to get them. There is no guarantee you get those guys. I remember for a week or so in the summer when Parise was Chicagos, no questions asked, then oops.

The Hawks have this amazing set of talent now, a set of talent that comes along once in a great while and very likely won't happen again any time soon. They need to capitalize now while they have this talent. Bowman needs to get off his ###, grow a pair and makes the moves necessary to fill these holes. Otherwhise he'll piss away the better part of these guys careers and 10 years from now all of you will complain about how many Cups this team should have won but didn't because Bowman was either, incompetent, a coward or both.

Absolutely.

Anyone ever hear Mikita or Hull talk about 1961 and how they thought the SC was one of many to come? Well it didn’t happen even though the team was strong for a number of years, right into the 1970’s. As difficult as it was then, winning a SC is much more difficult now, and teams that are always waiting for next season are a dime a dozen. Stan needs to go for it now, not sit on his hands looking to the future. The way Stan is going about it, Tallon will have built another contender (pretty much from scratch) before we do.

Now go out and get a goalie and quit fooling around!

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Yeah and like every year the choose other places. Remember when the Hawks where on the verge of signing Parise or Broduer, what happened.

Just because top level FA become available every year doesn't mean the Hawks can sign them.
Just because we didn't sign them this year, doesn't mean future UFA's won't come here. They are probably less inclined to come here right now because we already have 5-6 stars on our team.

Just like Hossa and Campbell, the stars will come here when we offer them enough money, right now it's hard to compete with other teams because we are already loaded with salary and talent.

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Khudobin is 26 years old and has played a total of 7 NHL games, he is a never will be.
Its very nice when some people miss the point of the entire post and tangle themselfs into details. Khudobin was example, maybe badly picked, granted, but an example anyway.

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The Hawks have this amazing set of talent now, a set of talent that comes along once in a great while and very likely won't happen again any time soon. They need to capitalize now while they have this talent. Bowman needs to get off his ###, grow a pair and makes the moves necessary to fill these holes. Otherwhise he'll piss away the better part of these guys careers and 10 years from now all of you will complain about how many Cups this team should have won but didn't because Bowman was either, incompetent, a coward or both.
There is a salary cap in the NHL, and its going down not up.

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Yeah and like every year the choose other places. Remember when the Hawks where on the verge of signing Parise or Broduer, what happened.

Just because top level FA become available every year doesn't mean the Hawks can sign them.
Your arguments are so, so weak.

Sharp is amazing talent? Get real. He's a sniper who plays a solid game otherwise. Not an amazing talent. Guy finally "got it" at age 27.

Comparing him to Hossa is hilarious. Hossa is an amaznig talent. And guess what, Hawks got him as a free agent! There goes the argument that Hawks can't sign big name free agents.....oh, unless that argument only pertains to this year.

The Hawks can't really afford another $6m man. When the bidding got too high for guys like Parise, Suter, Richards (who even knows if Hawks were in on him but he was big name FA last year), the Hawks have to pull out. Fortunately the Hawks are better off long-term because they didn't sign another guy to a long-term contract that will count toward cap forever. They already have Keith & Hossa, they don't need another contract like that.

If Rocky truly is willing to invest in this team's payroll, and the Hawks draft and develop talent, they should be ok. The point is, you try to build an organization that can make the playoffs year in and year out, not a team that is go-for-bust for a few-year window. The Cup is a crapshoot and in all likelihood the Hawks won't win another with this group. All you can hope for is just to get into the playoffs continually with a solid group.

And at some point the team will be bad again. That's a fact, it happens to every team.

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Your arguments are so, so weak.

Sharp is amazing talent? Get real. He's a sniper who plays a solid game otherwise. Not an amazing talent. Guy finally "got it" at age 27.

Comparing him to Hossa is hilarious. Hossa is an amaznig talent. And guess what, Hawks got him as a free agent! There goes the argument that Hawks can't sign big name free agents.....oh, unless that argument only pertains to this year.

The Hawks can't really afford another $6m man. When the bidding got too high for guys like Parise, Suter, Richards (who even knows if Hawks were in on him but he was big name FA last year), the Hawks have to pull out. Fortunately the Hawks are better off long-term because they didn't sign another guy to a long-term contract that will count toward cap forever. They already have Keith & Hossa, they don't need another contract like that.

If Rocky truly is willing to invest in this team's payroll, and the Hawks draft and develop talent, they should be ok. The point is, you try to build an organization that can make the playoffs year in and year out, not a team that is go-for-bust for a few-year window. The Cup is a crapshoot and in all likelihood the Hawks won't win another with this group. All you can hope for is just to get into the playoffs continually with a solid group.

And at some point the team will be bad again. That's a fact, it happens to every team.
Yeah. There’s nothing like a defeatist attitude to justify the ineptness of our management. Yes winning the SC is a crap shoot, as is any major championship - but only among the real contenders.
Stan has done nothing substantial to improve this team in his stint here and certainly seems like a lamb among sharks when it comes to dealing. Is it patience or is it he is over his head? As it stands today, I’d say the latter.

BTW… Sharp will never be flashy but he is a true sniper who has proven he can score timely goals. The only true one we have in fact. Because he didn’t come into his own until the age of 27 means nothing at this point. I wish we had two more of him. He and Hossa are special players in their own rite and both are in their prime right now … as is Keith. Stan owes it to these players to dress the best team possible. Not play it safe, cover his own ass, then deflect the blame to the players or the coaching when the team is not winning (which is exactly as it seems).

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Yeah. There’s nothing like a defeatist attitude to justify the ineptness of our management. Yes winning the SC is a crap shoot, as is any major championship - but only among the real contenders.
Stan has done nothing substantial to improve this team in his stint here and certainly seems like a lamb among sharks when it comes to dealing. Is it patience or is it he is over his head? As it stands today, I’d say the latter.

BTW… Sharp will never be flashy but he is a true sniper who has proven he can score timely goals. The only true one we have in fact. Because he didn’t come into his own until the age of 27 means nothing at this point. I wish we had two more of him. He and Hossa are special players in their own rite and both are in their prime right now … as is Keith. Stan owes it to these players to dress the best team possible. Not play it safe, cover his own ass, then deflect the blame to the players or the coaching when the team is not winning (which is exactly as it seems).
When you inheiret a team that is millions and millions over the cap, what did you expect him to do? They won the Cup the year he took over. He's done a good job of keeping Sharp/Seabrook/Keith/Toews/Kane....thats a better core than most teams. He added Leddy for Cam Barker, Stalberg has been a good player for us, the minors are built up nicely with guys that are already contributing to this team (namely Kruger and Shaw - we'll see how Saad does this year). The NHL is made for parity, not sure why you expect the Hawks to be dominating in the cap era when no team has.

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/\ I only expect a team that is capable of winning the SC. If anyone thinks we have that now with CC and Emery minding the nets, they're kidding themselves.

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/\ I only expect a team that is capable of winning the SC. If anyone thinks we have that now with CC and Emery minding the nets, they're kidding themselves.
Last year when the season started, did anyone think the Kings were capable of winning the Cup? How about Boston the year before? The Hawks are just as capable as them. Every team has defects, its how the NHL is set up now with a salary cap.

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Last year when the season started, did anyone think the Kings were capable of winning the Cup? How about Boston the year before? The Hawks are just as capable as them. Every team has defects, its how the NHL is set up now with a salary cap.
Poor examples because the answer to both is yes. Especially the Kings, who were Cup favorites right out of the gate last season, only to fall short of those expectations as the season went on.

Should've gone with was anyone expecting Philly or New Jersey to make the Cup finals in 2010 and 2012.

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Poor examples because the answer to both is yes. Especially the Kings, who were Cup favorites right out of the gate last season, only to fall short of those expectations as the season went on.

Should've gone with was anyone expecting Philly or New Jersey to make the Cup finals in 2010 and 2012.
I don't remember anyone picking the Kings out of the game. They were a 98 point team in 2010-2011 and got bounced in the first round.

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Poor examples because the answer to both is yes. Especially the Kings, who were Cup favorites right out of the gate last season, only to fall short of those expectations as the season went on.

Should've gone with was anyone expecting Philly or New Jersey to make the Cup finals in 2010 and 2012.
Not one single person picked the Kings to win the cup.

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