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01-13-2013, 02:41 PM
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Ryan O'Reilly to Florida

Obviously it's a longshot Colorado moves Radar, but what would get a deal done if things went sour in negotiations? Would Kulikov for O'Reilly straight up get it done?

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what's with all these sour negotiations! the last time ( i can think of ) this happened with an RFA was Turris.

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Obviously it's a longshot Colorado moves Radar, but what would get a deal done if things went sour in negotiations? Would Kulikov for O'Reilly straight up get it done?
Maybe...

I think in order to get one of our centers the deal would have to be orchestrated to include a clear cut third line center coming back in the deal. Unless it was done during the off-season where Colorado could potentially pickup a UFA third line center.

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Well, it certainly tops the Leafs' offer.

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what's with all these sour negotiations! the last time ( i can think of ) this happened with an RFA was Turris.
It can be tricky with guys like this. Turris was a player that needed a change of scenery, which is why he was traded. In Colorado, Statsny and Duchene are your top two centers, but O'Reilly is too talented to be in the #3 hole. He proved this last year. It gets to the point where a player (justifiably) wants more than the organization wants to pay. Something will get done

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I would do something like O'Reilly+D prospect for Kulikov+3rd line center. Always been a huge fan of Kulikov. If we have to move ROR, Kulikov is the type of player I would want in return.

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Kulikov + a decent defensively reliable 3rd line center for O'Reilly + depth defenseman.

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If Avs have problems with O'Reilly, the last thing they'll do is to trade for another negotiation problem.

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I would do something like O'Reilly+D prospect for Kulikov+3rd line center. Always been a huge fan of Kulikov. If we have to move ROR, Kulikov is the type of player I would want in return.
I'd say Oreilly + Elliott for Kulikov + Goc.

This is very interesting from my standpoint. Certainly blows the Leafs offer out of the water at this point. Kulikov is exactly the type of guy we'd move Oreilly for. Young Top 2/3 Dman with #1 Upside. Both are RFA's at this point as well and fill needs for the other team.

It almost makes too much sense to happen.

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I'd say Oreilly + Elliott for Kulikov + Goc.

This is very interesting from my standpoint. Certainly blows the Leafs offer out of the water at this point. Kulikov is exactly the type of guy we'd move Oreilly for. Young Top 2/3 Dman with #1 Upside. Both are RFA's at this point as well and fill needs for the other team.

It almost makes too much sense to happen.
No freaking way.

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Idk I feel like Kulikov is worth more than O'reilly. Top pairing Dman vs 2C.

If someone is going to be adding it's probably us.

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No freaking way.
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No freaking way.
Highly disagree here. As the other guys said you must not know how good Goc is. He'd be the absolute perfect 3rd line C for us. Very good Defensively with a little offensive upside as well.

And given that IMO Kulikov does have a tiny bit more value then Oreilly, it would have to be a decent prospect added on our side to get Goc as well.

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O'Reilly for Kulikov straight up. Done deal someone call up the GMs.

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O'Reilly for Kulikov straight up. Done deal someone call up the GMs.
I am trying to call Tallon up, but I think someone gave me the wrong phone number.

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Highly disagree here. As the other guys said you must not know how good Goc is. He'd be the absolute perfect 3rd line C for us. Very good Defensively with a little offensive upside as well.

And given that IMO Kulikov does have a tiny bit more value then Oreilly, it would have to be a decent prospect added on our side to get Goc as well.
I'm well aware of Goc's qualities, he's a very good player and all, but I wouldn't be interested in moving our best defensive prospect for 1.5 seasons of Goc.

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I'm well aware of Goc's qualities, he's a very good player and all, but I wouldn't be interested in moving our best defensive prospect for 1.5 seasons of Goc.
I wouldn't consider him our best Defensive prospect at this point. Barrie has been far more impressive for the better part of 2 years now. He was better overall in his stint with the Avs last year then Elliott, and it hasn't even been close this year. Not to say Elliott isn't still a solid prospect, but IMO Barrie is easily the better of the two, and makes Elliott expendable IMO.

That's about as close a deal you could get IMO. Now it looks like I maybe value Kulikov higher then others as some are saying Oreilly 1 for 1 with Kulikov(IMO Kulikov is better then Oreilly) so that'll change my precieved value of the trade from others.

Oreilly for Kuli straight up is fantastic for the Avs, good for the Panthers to but I think Kulikov has Top 15 Dmen potential, Oreilly not so much in the Center department.

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I can't see Goc being moved. Not only is he valuable for our system, but he's also currently injured

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I'd take Kulikov over O'Reilly in a vacuum, but especially if I'm the avs. He's about as good a partner for EJ as you'll realistically get.

Kulikov + Goc for O'Reilly + Gaunce + Olver + 2nd seems like a good enough ballpark

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It can be tricky with guys like this. Turris was a player that needed a change of scenery, which is why he was traded. In Colorado, Statsny and Duchene are your top two centers, but O'Reilly is too talented to be in the #3 hole. He proved this last year. It gets to the point where a player (justifiably) wants more than the organization wants to pay. Something will get done
For the nth time, the Avs roll their centers very evenly and O'Reilly actually got the most ice time on the team last year with Duchene's injury and Stastny's awful linemates/luck. The only difference between our centers has been who gets what wingers, and now that the avs have enough wingers and prospects on the brink, there's no problem with giving all 3 of them good wingers to play with.

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I wouldn't trade Elliott a second before we get to see him and Siemens together at the professional level.

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What exactly makes Kuliovs leagues different than Gardiner value wise.....Is Kulikovs defensive game suddenly at an elite level...inquiring minds want to know..

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If we had to trade O'Reilly then this type of move would be great. Kulikov is going to be a stud.

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What exactly makes Kuliovs leagues different than Gardiner value wise.....Is Kulikovs defensive game suddenly at an elite level...inquiring minds want to know..
Kulikov is at Subban's level of play, not elite yet, but will be.

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I think adding Goc makes it too messy. O'Reilly for Kulikov with whatever equalizers. Colorado can then flip a depth D / D prospect to someone needing D for a bottom 6 defensive / pk centre.

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