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01-24-2013, 03:11 AM
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http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...230Z/CYYZ/KTEB

Oh look a chartered flight leaving from Toronto to Teterboro is coming this morning it must be Subban ! lol...that's what twitter would have you believe...that's Eklund style right there.
LOL That was hilarious!

I use flightaware myself. I tracked the Devils flight from LA back with it for everybody!

They actually flew Subban into Teterboro? Haha!

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01-24-2013, 03:21 AM
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That plane just came back from Charleston South Carolina about 10 days ago! Must have been transporting Canes players to camp that's all I can think of. Cause you know Raleigh has no airport! Cause nobody's actually ever been to Raleigh!

Seriously though $5.9 for Subban is a joke. No wonder why the Canadiens can't sign him. A guy's played two years in this league, and has proved squat and wants to be one of the highest paid defensemen in the league? I know it's just a rumor, but if we offer sheeted anybody though, then you can expect them to turn around and offer sheet Henrique this Summer. Lou's brain hasn't left for Mars yet, so I'm confident we wouldn't offer sheet anybody.

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01-24-2013, 07:50 AM
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What would even be the rule hypothetically if we offer-sheeted someone? I suppose we'd just lose our first four eligible first-round picks, so we'd be out a first-rounder the next five years (but then which one the next two years would the other team get, this year's or next year's, and would they have to decide which one to forefit or would we have to fast-track the decision?), yeah that's not happening.

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01-24-2013, 08:07 AM
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Thank you, sir, for pointing out at the end of that post how that would never happen in a New Jersey organization run by Lou. Anybody entertaining that idea as a possibility doesn't understand how he operates.

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01-24-2013, 01:20 PM
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What would even be the rule hypothetically if we offer-sheeted someone? I suppose we'd just lose our first four eligible first-round picks, so we'd be out a first-rounder the next five years (but then which one the next two years would the other team get, this year's or next year's, and would they have to decide which one to forefit or would we have to fast-track the decision?), yeah that's not happening.
Here are/were the compensation levels set back in June:

$1,110,249 or below - No Compensation
Over $1,110,249 to $1,682,194 - 3rd round pick
Over $1,682,194 to $3,364,391 - 2nd round pick
Over $3,364,391 to $5,046,585 - 1st round pick, 3rd
Over $5,046,585 to $6,728,781 - 1st round pick, 2nd, 3rd
Over $6,728,781 To $8,410,976 - Two 1st Round Picks, 2nd, 3rd
Over $8,410,976 - Four 1st Round Picks


As things stand we cannot make most of those offers since we don't have our 3rd (Zidlicky trade) and have to forfeit a first in 2013 or 2014. When Toronto was threatening to offer sheet Kessel, Burke had to first go and re-acquire a pick he had previously traded away.

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01-24-2013, 01:27 PM
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Here are/were the compensation levels set back in June:

$1,110,249 or below - No Compensation
Over $1,110,249 to $1,682,194 - 3rd round pick
Over $1,682,194 to $3,364,391 - 2nd round pick
Over $3,364,391 to $5,046,585 - 1st round pick, 3rd
Over $5,046,585 to $6,728,781 - 1st round pick, 2nd, 3rd
Over $6,728,781 To $8,410,976 - Two 1st Round Picks, 2nd, 3rd
Over $8,410,976 - Four 1st Round Picks


As things stand we cannot make most of those offers since we don't have our 3rd (Zidlicky trade) and have to forfeit a first in 2013 or 2014. When Toronto was threatening to offer sheet Kessel, Burke had to first go and re-acquire a pick he had previously traded away.
Yep forgotten aspect of Kessel trade is to get back the Leafs 2010 2nd rounder he had to give the Hawks the Flames 2011 2nd rounder + Leafs 2011 3rd rounder

Hawks ended up picking Brandon Saad in 2nd round and Michael Paliotta in 3rd round with those picks

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Yep forgotten aspect of Kessel trade is to get back the Leafs 2010 2nd rounder he had to give the Hawks the Flames 2011 2nd rounder + Leafs 2011 3rd rounder

Hawks ended up picking Brandon Saad in 2nd round and Michael Paliotta in 3rd round with those picks
AND LOOK HOW THAT TURNED OUT FOR THE BLACKHAWKS heyooooooooooooooooooo


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01-24-2013, 02:19 PM
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That plane just came back from Charleston South Carolina about 10 days ago! Must have been transporting Canes players to camp that's all I can think of. Cause you know Raleigh has no airport! Cause nobody's actually ever been to Raleigh!
That plane was in Carolina? Definitely Subban's plane.


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01-24-2013, 02:22 PM
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What would even be the rule hypothetically if we offer-sheeted someone? I suppose we'd just lose our first four eligible first-round picks, so we'd be out a first-rounder the next five years (but then which one the next two years would the other team get, this year's or next year's, and would they have to decide which one to forefit or would we have to fast-track the decision?), yeah that's not happening.
I'm not sure that's how it works. The Blues offer sheeted Scott Stevens and got him from the Capitals for 5 first rounders, IIRC. The next year they offer sheeted Shanahan. Unable to immediately pay the first rounder compensation, we took them to court and got Stevens.

If we offer sheet someone and can't pay the price, we probably would have to go to some kind of arbitration.

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01-24-2013, 02:28 PM
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I'm not sure that's how it works. The Blues offer sheeted Scott Stevens and got him from the Capitals for 5 first rounders, IIRC. The next year they offer sheeted Shanahan. Unable to immediately pay the first rounder compensation, we took them to court and got Stevens.

If we offer sheet someone and can't pay the price, we probably would have to go to some kind of arbitration.
I think they changed the rules since the early 90s. If you don't have your own picks to cover the potential compensation from the offer sheet, you can't tender an offer. Toronto had to reacquire a pick when Burke thought about offer sheeting Kessel. Vancouver quietly reacquired a 3rd rounder from Florida last year in the Booth deal which would have enabled them to extend offer sheets.

The Blues were involved in a bunch of offer sheets during that era which caused a few headaches. I can only imagine that the NHL wanted to eliminate the use of arbitrators if at all possible.

On a slightly unrelated note on things changing from the early 90s, the whole Lindros being traded twice debacle led the NHL to change the protocol on how trades are processed. The "trade call" is now required. Apparently it used to be an 800 number that teams were supposed to call. Initially a few GMs decided to have some fun and impersonate other GMs.

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01-24-2013, 03:13 PM
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That plane was in Carolina? Definitely Subban's plane.

Oh my!

Seriously though I don't want Subban for $5.9 million. We could get a forward for that much. That's one of the highest paid defensemen in the league if Subban does get that which I don't think he will anyway. Bouwmeester, and Suter are the only ones I can think of who make more than that.

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Oh my!

Seriously though I don't want Subban for $5.9 million. We could get a forward for that much. That's one of the highest paid defensemen in the league if Subban does get that which I don't think he will anyway. Bouwmeester, and Suter are the only ones I can think of who make more than that.
Doughty, Cambpell, Weber, Chara, Karlsson.

Both Kieth and... wait for it... Dennis Wideman make almost as much.

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Doughty, Cambpell, Weber, Chara, Karlsson.

Both Kieth and... wait for it... Dennis Wideman make almost as much.
Yeah I did forget Chara. Weber now with the offer sheet too. Doughty, and Karlsson are already making that much though?

Holy **** you ain't kidding! $7 million already for Doughty. He hasn't even been in the league 5 years! Karlsson I understand cause Ottawa isn't spending to near the cap. Still it's too much money for Subban. At least it is for us.

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01-24-2013, 03:37 PM
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Oh my!

Seriously though I don't want Subban for $5.9 million. We could get a forward for that much. That's one of the highest paid defensemen in the league if Subban does get that which I don't think he will anyway. Bouwmeester, and Suter are the only ones I can think of who make more than that.
Just think about next year:

Greene-Fayne
Larsson-Salvador
Subban-Volchenkov
*Merrill

Flip Hank for D'Agostini a 2nd/3rd line tweener and rotate Merrill in as needed.

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01-24-2013, 06:19 PM
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Gotta love the twitter BS rumor-verse the new popular one backed up by noone reliable is that we offer sheeted Subban at 5.9 a yr
I'd love to have him here, but there's no way we offer sheeted him.

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01-24-2013, 08:39 PM
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I wouldn't mind HBK Weiss on our team at all.

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01-24-2013, 08:44 PM
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My lord the Rags are a miserable team. Good to see Torts only using 6 forwards and 4 dmen

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Weiss would be perfect for this team, IMO.

Put him on the 2nd line with Elias and Zubrus and we'd have the Josefson and Tedenby with Clarkson on the 3rd line, which has had plenty of chemistry in the past.

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My lord the Rags are a miserable team. Good to see Torts only using 6 forwards and 4 dmen
The 4 dmen thing was inevitable

Their bottom 2 guys last season were 5-10 minute a game players and they didn't make any changes this offseason to that situation whatsoever

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01-24-2013, 08:58 PM
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Weiss would be perfect for this team, IMO.

Put him on the 2nd line with Elias and Zubrus and we'd have the Josefson and Tedenby with Clarkson on the 3rd line, which has had plenty of chemistry in the past.
Especially if we could get Weiss for fairly cheap . Would be awsome

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