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02-18-2013, 06:29 PM
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I dare you to post something of substance and have a real debate on global warming or even science in general.

We all know you're too cowardly to ever actually debate on a topic so openly available and easily explained, but I feel the need to display just how cowardly you are by calling you out and watching you run away screaming.

ETA: And that debate has to consist of more than "there's no debate to be had" because there's even more evidence that's openly available that shows that there absolutely is a debate to be had than there is to defend global warming science in general.

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http://www.politico.com/story/2013/0...ger-87773.html

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The president decided to stiff the press during one of his golf outings, which is not unusual. But this weekend was different. Without announcing it in advance, President Barack Obama played 18 holes with Tiger Woods at an exclusive resort in Florida. But Obama’s traveling press pool was kept in the dark and far away.

In his first term, when Obama played separate rounds of golf with Bill Clinton and House Speaker John Boehner, the press pool had been allowed some access and pictures.

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The story also stated: “It seems Obama and Woods — the first black men at the top of their respective fields — have spent the past few years inching toward Sunday’s meeting on the fairway.”

In other words, it was a historic meeting for reasons of race and therefore, by implication, the press pool should have been allowed to record the moment.

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“But this has nothing to do really with golf,” Ed Henry told me. “That’s trivial. We’re taking a stand: We’re relevant. We represent not just our news organizations, but we represent history and the American people. That might sound hokey, but that’s why we’re here.”
This is so freaking stupid. Tiger Woods is a private citizen; there's no comparison between photographing Obama playing with Bill Clinton and John Boehner (two of the most important politicians in the country) and him playing a round of golf with Woods. To make it sound like it's some historic moment for race relations is laughable. This is the media wanting to cover it as a tabloid-like special interest story and not getting the chance to do that.

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02-19-2013, 10:48 AM
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It's eerily similar to people that tell me the same thing about Jesus being my savior.

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02-19-2013, 11:51 AM
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It's eerily similar to people that tell me the same thing about Jesus being my savior.




Reality is my Jesus, and the bonus is it is actually demonstratively real.

There's nothing wrong about the belief in something, even in the way that Christians believe in Jesus. The problem is when what is believed in cannot be proven and actually has more evidence against it being true than for it.

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02-19-2013, 12:05 PM
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I am not exactly sure what to think of this one...a little unnerving to say the least.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/19/te...t-us.html?_r=0

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The problem is when what is believed in cannot be proven and actually has more evidence against it being true than for it.
Actually no, the problem is when people try to force their view upon others.

There are certain limitations to that though. It's wrong to try and force another person to behave a certain way, as that is an intrusion into his private life. It doesn't matter whether it's someone who believes in a god trying to change someone who doesn't or the other way round, it's always wrong. No one can prove this matter either way, so not only is it redundant and a waste of time, it's also pretty childish behaviour. Things are a bit different when it comes to what is publicly taught to people, in that case it depends on the matter at hand. When personal opinion contradicts actual facts, you shouldn't let anyone get away with it.

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02-19-2013, 02:18 PM
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Actually no, the problem is when people try to force their view upon others.

There are certain limitations to that though. It's wrong to try and force another person to behave a certain way, as that is an intrusion into his private life. It doesn't matter whether it's someone who believes in a god trying to change someone who doesn't or the other way round, it's always wrong. No one can prove this matter either way, so not only is it redundant and a waste of time, it's also pretty childish behaviour. Things are a bit different when it comes to what is publicly taught to people, in that case it depends on the matter at hand. When personal opinion contradicts actual facts, you shouldn't let anyone get away with it.
You say tomato, I say tomahto. It's the same difference. I don't care what someone believes, at least for the most part, as long as they don't let it control their civic behavior.

I don't even have a problem with people forcing their views on others. In reality, if a person is stupid enough to accept a viewpoint because someone is shouting at you or whatever, then it's that person's fault. That said, obviously common decency needs to be observed in that, if someone tells you to leave them alone and go away, you do so. But when someone offers up their own personal opinions and they contradict actual facts, then they should be corrected. The personal opinion that a God exists generally contradicts actual facts, at least when that God is specified with particular traits and attributes (creating the world/universe, answering prayers, etc). I don't think the fact that it's "personal belief" necessarily means they shouldn't be challenged on it.

And anyway, you seem to be stating a lot as absolutes here. It's not wrong to tell someone not to rape people, even though that's telling someone how to live their life. Of course, there's reasons for that, but, at least for the sake of argument, one could say that similar reasons could be offered up for why we should tell people not to believe in religions/God/gods.

That said, few would ever walk up to a religious person who has given no inclination that they're religious and tell them they're wrong. Personally, I wouldn't even tell someone who is clearly religious that they're wrong just because they're religious. It's much more common for religious people to walk up to random people and tell them to believe in their religion.

In the end, though, my point was that belief in the unproven/disproven can be dangerous as they can mislead your actions and cause you to do harm without the realization that you're doing harm (or even let others do harm to you). That's my issue with unsubstantiated beliefs, not that they're believed in the first place.


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I am not exactly sure what to think of this one...a little unnerving to say the least.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/19/te...t-us.html?_r=0
Interesting. China has been accused of hacking in the past (examples are the NY Times site and Canadian industries)

Although they'll continue to deny it, it's very clear they are becoming an online threat

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Listening to a delayed Tony Kornheiser podcast and they are talking about Mark Sanford running again for congressional office

It's always hilarious how these people get a second chance. Weiner was considering running for office again, now this guy. When is Spitzer going to come back

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How's this for sweet social-media revenge in our brewing digital war with China? If it weren't for the strictness of the Chinese government's Internet firewall, security firm Mandiant may never have discovered the identities of the Chinese army's instantly notorious "Comment Crew." Within the watershed report from The New York Times today is this little nugget on how the hacker sleuths at Mandiant connected codenames toward a Chinese People's Liberation Army building in Shanghai:

Mandiant discovered several cases in which attackers logged into their Facebook and Twitter accounts to get around China’s firewall that blocks ordinary citizen’s access, making it easier to track down their real identities.

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This is so freaking stupid. Tiger Woods is a private citizen; there's no comparison between photographing Obama playing with Bill Clinton and John Boehner (two of the most important politicians in the country) and him playing a round of golf with Woods. To make it sound like it's some historic moment for race relations is laughable. This is the media wanting to cover it as a tabloid-like special interest story and not getting the chance to do that.
More like Obama doesn't want to be seen with hanging out with any of the one percent while promoting his war on the rich in the process.

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More like Obama doesn't want to be seen with hanging out with any of the one percent while promoting his war on the rich in the process.
What?

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More like Obama doesn't want to be seen with hanging out with any of the one percent while promoting his war on the rich in the process.
I see you chickened out from my challenge.

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I see you chickened out from my challenge.
To be fair you did use multi-syllable words in your challenge post so AP would have had problems grasping your meaning.

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I see you chickened out from my challenge.
You're right! Global Warming exists from someone(you) who throws down mostly baseless rhetoric and spam in his arguments. I'm now conformed and now know the secret to ending global waring for good. More regulations! Less jobs! Higher gas prices! More fuel efficient/enviornmental friendly cars that have better gas mileage on paper but not true in practice! Hell, lets save the live of a cow because their not a contributor to air polution. Oh and I must buy carbon credits in case I release too much Co2 in the air.


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You're right! Global Warming exists from someone(you) who throws down mostly baseless rhetoric and spam in his arguments.
Where have I given "baseless rhetoric"?

I have scientific papers, basic chemical laws and a near total consensus in all scientific disciplines of relevance. If that's "baseless" to you, then what the **** would be relevant?

I'm absolutely willing to have a legitimate, reasonable discussion on the topic of Global Warming. I'm giving you a chance to prove you're not just a troll. If all you got is strawman sarcasm which have nothing to do with the accuracy of the theory, then you're the textbook definition of a troll.

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The right's civil war continues, now they're calling each other nazi's

Tea Party Group Apologizes To Karl Rove

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Tea Party Patriots said that a fundraising email sent out Tuesday showing a manipulated photo of GOP operative Karl Rove wearing an S.S. uniform was a mistake that the organization "did not know about or approve."

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I hate when I accidentally photoshop someone to look like a Nazi and then mail it to everyone.

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I hate when I accidentally photoshop someone to look like a Nazi and then mail it to everyone.
Surprising they didn't claim they were 'hacked,' given how en vogue that has become.

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Surprising they didn't claim they were 'hacked,' given how en vogue that has become.
I think it was an example of divine intervention.

An immaculate photoshop.

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