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Subban to re-sign with Montreal soon?

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01-11-2013, 03:44 PM
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Definitely an overpayment if true. Why are so many GMs dead set against using their leverage?

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01-11-2013, 03:45 PM
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if its 5 or 5.5 per then thats a solid deal for both sides...

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01-11-2013, 03:46 PM
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Definitely an overpayment if true. Why are so many GMs dead set against using their leverage?
What leverage does Bergevin have?

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01-11-2013, 03:47 PM
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What leverage does Bergevin have?
He's an RFA. He just missed half a season of paychecks.

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01-11-2013, 03:52 PM
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He can be a jerk who does not back up his actions.But if he develops into the player that the pro personnel believe he will be than he's a bargain.His talent and skill are unmatched on canadiens d so future looks bright but he must mature on and of the ice

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He's an RFA. He just missed half a season of paychecks.
That is his leverage? Not much if you ask me.

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01-11-2013, 03:55 PM
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Definitely an overpayment if true. Why are so many GMs dead set against using their leverage?
Look at the Corsi/Fenwick stats, and then come back.

Don't forget that 5.5 doesn't even make him the highest salaried on the Habs defense.

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01-11-2013, 03:57 PM
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He's an RFA. He just missed half a season of paychecks.
I'll give you Subban's leverage.

If Subban doesn't play, then, Montreal's first D-Men will actually have played roughly 55 games in 3 years.

With 20 of them being in the KHL.

The other players on that defense? A good no.3, and four players that are bottom-two material (until Raphael Diaz shows otherwise at the very least), one decent no. 7 and one that shouldn't be playing in the NHL until further notice.


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01-11-2013, 03:58 PM
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Drew Doughty is talked about like he is so great. He has to be one of the most uncreative 1D's on a powerplay.

He doesn't one touch, he doesn't try and freeze a goalie. That's why the Kings PP sucks.
Ask Mike Smith and Marty Brodeur if Doughty can freeze a goalie.

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I'll give you Subban's leverage.

If Subban doesn't play, then, Montreal's first D-Men will actually have played roughly 55 games in 3 years.

With 20 of them being in the KHL.

The other players on that defense? A good no.3, and four players that are bottom-two material (until Raphael Diaz shows otherwise at the very least).
Simply put...Montreal cannot afford to have Subban not play.

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01-11-2013, 04:10 PM
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Pierre McGuire on TSN radio is talking about it right now. Same info as in the thread.

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01-11-2013, 04:15 PM
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He's an RFA. He just missed half a season of paychecks.
And he's absolutely VITAL for the Habs to have on the ice. That's Subban's leverge, which is a hell of a lot more important to a team that finished 28th last year and has a rookie GM. Add in the rich tradition in Montreal, and the pressure exerted by the media, and I think that PK's leverage GREATLY exceeded the teams in this case.

Like it's been said - the term is problem more than the $'s. Definetely seems "rich", when compared to other similar players coming off their ELC's, but I can't think of a team that leans more on a young d-man than the Habs do on Subban, so he might be worth it.

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01-11-2013, 04:17 PM
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Rough deal for Montreal, not a good deal at all. Takes him straight to UFA age and at a higher price than Subban deserves to this point. I can wrap my head around a "pay for potential" deal with longer team and UFA years, but this is just bad.

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01-11-2013, 04:25 PM
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Rough deal for Montreal, not a good deal at all. Takes him straight to UFA age and at a higher price than Subban deserves to this point. I can wrap my head around a "pay for potential" deal with longer team and UFA years, but this is just bad.
Again, it's a bad deal only if you completely disregard every available metric.

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01-11-2013, 04:32 PM
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What I really hate about this is it's the first contract (likely) to be signed under the new CBA, so every other RFA is going to be using in their own negotiations. I don't so much have a problem with the money, if it was eating UFA years, but if pk gets this than what's the next young stud dman going to want on a deal, especially if it does eat up some UFA time?

The NHLPA is watching you Montreal, please try to not screw this up for everyone.

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01-11-2013, 04:36 PM
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The money is fine, it's the term that I'd be wondering about.

Hey, if Subban does hold out, then Montreal will have an easier time tanking, right?

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01-11-2013, 04:39 PM
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http://twitter.com/TheFourthPeriod/s...36682197483521

I guess his agent as to say no deal is done since the CBA hasn't been ratified buy the players yet.. I guess we'll soon find out if true.
He and his agent would have to say no. However, I'd like to add that the 4th period is very unreliable.

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01-11-2013, 04:41 PM
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What I really hate about this is it's the first contract (likely) to be signed under the new CBA, so every other RFA is going to be using in their own negotiations. I don't so much have a problem with the money, if it was eating UFA years, but if pk gets this than what's the next young stud dman going to want on a deal, especially if it does eat up some UFA time?

The NHLPA is watching you Montreal, please try to not screw this up for everyone.
yep. Kulikov is licking his lips somewhere right now.

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01-11-2013, 04:42 PM
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This contract is ridiculous for a guy who has two full seasons under his belt. Granted one great. But still.

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01-11-2013, 04:47 PM
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Subban for 5.5m or Karlsson for 6.5m ?

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I'd love to see how the contract is structured for Subby and other RFAs right now.

I wonder if they will have a smaller salary in year one given they will only get the pro-rated half portion of it, and have bigger salaries down the line, thereby allowing a team to pay him more but keeping his cap hit lower (while still complying with all the new variance rules)

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01-11-2013, 04:49 PM
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Heard on Oilers now that there's a rumour coming out of Montreal stating Subban is going to sign 4 years/29Million dollars sometime in the next couple days. Ridiculous money if true.

Edit: Now that I think about it it might have been the Mark Spector show, either way they had a sports guy out of Montreal and this was what he had heard.

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01-11-2013, 05:02 PM
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Very bad deal.

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01-11-2013, 05:10 PM
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Subban for 5.5m or Karlsson for 6.5m ?
Ummm both?? Weird point to make considering the dollars are roughly far enough apart that both players are earning what they deserve/what the market dictates. Sure maybe Karlsson is underpaid by 500k or Subban overpaid by the same amount, but whats the point of comparing the two if they aren't on the same contract term?

Subban is the Habs best Dman and is shaping up to be their best player (outside of Price). He will be paid accordingly. Not every team can have an Erik Karlsson...but when you have a young, homegrown talent like PK in your organization, you lock that down!

Starting next season there will be 10m of salary committed to him and Pacioretty, who are the Habs' two best skaters...whereas the Senators will have 13.5m committed to their best two. Granted I would take Spezza and Karlsson any day of the week, but im just saying that salaries have a way of evening out. People tend to agonize over dollar figures as if 500k makes alllll the difference. It doesn't. You just have to spend money on the right talent. Subban is that kind of talent.

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5.5 might be ok for year 3 and 4 of the deal but for this season its way too much money

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