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UPDATE: Coyotes Looking For 2nd Line Center. Rumored To Be Toronto's Matt Lombardi

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01-14-2013, 12:53 PM
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Lupul/Bozak and "not defensive liability" don't really go together well.
So very wrong - Bozak is a defensively responisble player. He is in no shape or form, a defensive liability.

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that doesn't seem attractive enough package, it would have to have gormley, if we weren't adding for yandle.
As much as it shocks me to type this, I might be open to a deal involving Gormley for O'Reilly. I like Gormley's upside better, but ROR is obviously the proven commodity. As such, I recognize Phoenix would probably need to add, but I wouldn't be willing to add a whole lot. I wonder if there is a way to make such a thing work.

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Thank you for this reply. I've spent some time pilfering through old dead Avs threads and some of the content regarding the drastic changes in the way the Avs go about business on ice have certainly been enlightening, and definitely encouraging about ROR's prospects of success under Dave Tippett (in some crazy hypothetical world in which ROR is actually playing under Tippett).

So, here's the question; is there any conceivable manner in which Phoenix could potentially acquire O'Reilly without moving core roster players critical to our efforts this season? Is there a package that could potentially entice Colorado that consists mostly of futures? Something based around Brandon Gormley with a little extra added in? Maybe Rundblad with more than a little extra added in? I can't really see Colorado going for it. I mean, these are top notch prospects, but as Bender has pointed out, they are just that.

I don't think so, the Avs are trying to make the playoffs, dealing away one of their greatest strengths, being able to roll 3 scoring lines, for futures would really work against that, especially since the avs have some very good prospects of their own, and would only be moving one of our centers for someone who can play with EJ right now. I could see the Avs re-signing him and looking to move him over the summer after the major FAs have signed, and if Gormley's showing what he can do in the NHL then maybe I could see it.


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You want secondary scoring? Leafs entire team is secondary scoring.. and we will do whatever you want for Keith Yandle.. Well at least i will..

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You want secondary scoring? Leafs entire team is secondary scoring.. and we will do whatever you want for Keith Yandle.. Well at least i will..
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As much as it shocks me to type this, I might be open to a deal involving Gormley for O'Reilly. I like Gormley's upside better, but ROR is obviously the proven commodity. As such, I recognize Phoenix would probably need to add, but I wouldn't be willing to add a whole lot. I wonder if there is a way to make such a thing work.
It shocks me that you're typing it.

You're one of the main Yotes fans pushing to wait to see the top end of this D depth before moving any of them.

Now you're willing to consider Gormley for O'Reilly? Are you sure you wouldn't rather go Klesla for Bailey or the like?

When I consider Gormley's ceiling and how he could fit into a Dave Tippett team, I'm convinced that patience is the way to go before Yandle/OEL/Gormley can be discussed in any but the most undeniable trade offers.

Morris or Klesla, Summers or Schlemko, even Rundblad or Stone. I'd move any of those 6, alone or in a package, for a Tippett-style forward, before making an offer that included Gormley.

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Kessel

Toronto should run out like a thief in the night if they could get that deal. Yandle's trade value even if Toronto spun him in a deal is higher due to signed contract. Kessel can score no doubt but otherwise his value is what ? Team leadership (nope) 2way game established (nope) Physical presence( lmao) and board work (nope)

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FWIW on TSN 1050 Bob MacKenzie said that there is a rumour that Phoenix has some interest in Lombardi from the Leafs. MacKenzie emphasized that it is just a rumour and he was not stating it as a fact.

The Leafs would likely let Lombardi go for next to nothing, but given that a team can now trade a player and stay responsible for part of the salary, could they spin this into a later round draft choice?

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How about Stephane Da Costa for Michael Stone? Ottawa gets blueline depth who happens to be the brother of one of their top prospects and Phoenix gets a skilled playmaking center.

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FWIW on TSN 1050 Bob MacKenzie said that there is a rumour that Phoenix has some interest in Lombardi from the Leafs. MacKenzie emphasized that it is just a rumour and he was not stating it as a fact.

The Leafs would likely let Lombardi go for next to nothing, but given that a team can now trade a player and stay responsible for part of the salary, could they spin this into a later round draft choice?
Realistically, they wouldn't.

The Leafs have a pretty glaring hole on their blueline. With 13-15 NHL-calibre forwards, priority #1has to be converting one or two of those into a blueliner. Only once the dust settles on that, do you look at dumping a guy like Lombardi.

Of course, if Phoenix is willing to part wit ha stay-at-home defenceman, then there should certainly be room to work here. Perhaps MacArthur + Lombardi for Klesla, with the Leafs retaining 50% salary of both players?

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Lots of chatter on the golf course that Lombardi will indeed get shipped to PHX.

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Lombardi for Bissonette

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Lombardi for Bissonette
Yes please. Hell I'd even throw in a late round pick to get rid of that circus freak and free up his spot for a real player.

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Lombardi for Bissonette
Works for me.

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It shocks me that you're typing it.

You're one of the main Yotes fans pushing to wait to see the top end of this D depth before moving any of them.

Now you're willing to consider Gormley for O'Reilly? Are you sure you wouldn't rather go Klesla for Bailey or the like?

When I consider Gormley's ceiling and how he could fit into a Dave Tippett team, I'm convinced that patience is the way to go before Yandle/OEL/Gormley can be discussed in any but the most undeniable trade offers.

Morris or Klesla, Summers or Schlemko, even Rundblad or Stone. I'd move any of those 6, alone or in a package, for a Tippett-style forward, before making an offer that included Gormley.
I'm definitely a huge Gormley fan, but ROR's age is appealing. He's not 26 or 27 years old. He's not quite 22 yet. You can still get an entire career out of him. That's the main reason why I'm willing to bring Gormley's name into ROR talk and why I've never brought Gormley's name into any other trade talk at any point ever in the past.

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Kadri + MacArthur + Connolly + Steckel + 2nd for Yandle + Bissonette.

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Kadri + MacArthur + Connolly + 2nd for Yandle
Realistically, Toronto is not going to be the team to pay the premium for Yandle. He's a great defenceman, but we're putting our faith into Gardiner/Riell in terms of puckmovers.

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Realistically, they wouldn't.

The Leafs have a pretty glaring hole on their blueline. With 13-15 NHL-calibre forwards, priority #1has to be converting one or two of those into a blueliner. Only once the dust settles on that, do you look at dumping a guy like Lombardi.
Can you seriously stop overrating our players and acting like every single one is essential for our organization?

Lombardi for a 3rd round pick while retaining 50% salary and I'm happy.

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Realistically, they wouldn't.

The Leafs have a pretty glaring hole on their blueline. With 13-15 NHL-calibre forwards, priority #1has to be converting one or two of those into a blueliner. Only once the dust settles on that, do you look at dumping a guy like Lombardi.
You're kidding right?

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Can you seriously stop overrating our players and acting like every single one is essential for our organization?

Lombardi for a 3rd round pick and I'm happy.
Essential? No. A useful piece? Absolutely.

There's no sense in dumping players for picks before the season starts unless we have absolute clarity as to our ability to acquire pieces to fill other holes, and what those pieces would cost.

Lombardi may not be the guy that gets us the defenceman or goaltender we're looking for, but if the pursuit of one of those costs us a couple of forwards, Lombardi could be a valuable utility guy for us.

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Realistically, Toronto is not going to be the team to pay the premium for Yandle. He's a great defenceman, but we're putting our faith into Gardiner/Riell in terms of puckmovers.
You consider that a 'premium'?

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You consider that a 'premium'?
No, I just don't think there's any deal that will make sense which sees Yandle go to Toronto.

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You're kidding right?
Why would I be kidding? Is a draft pick going to help us get into the playoffs this year? no. Is it going to be available right up until the deadline? probably.

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Kadri + MacArthur + Connolly + Steckel + 2nd for Yandle + Bissonette.
Haha. If Yandle is a one hundred dollar bill and Bissonnette is worth a nickel than your package together equals about nineteen dollars.

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If the Luongo deal is going down and Bozak is involved, Lombardi was a guy Ii thought might slide nicely into his spot.

Interesting if he is moved, I doubt the return is much.

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If the Luongo deal is going down and Bozak is involved, Lombardi was a guy Ii thought might slide nicely into his spot.

Interesting if he is moved, I doubt the return is much.
I'm guessing a 4th round pick.

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