HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > General Hockey Discussion > Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Notices

Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk Trade rumors, transactions, and free agent talk. Rumors must use the RUMOR prefix in thread title. Proposals must contain the PROPOSAL prefix in the thread title.

UPDATE: Coyotes Looking For 2nd Line Center. Rumored To Be Toronto's Matt Lombardi

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old
01-15-2013, 12:36 PM
  #351
bernmeister
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Da Big Apple
Country: United States
Posts: 13,212
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by vinnybaby View Post
...
Quote:
Can someone explain that proposal to me? The Leafs trade for Redden and 3rd by giving up Christian Thomas and a 5th? Thomas is a Ranger prospect I don't understand how the Leafs are giving him up in the deal.
I screwed that up. Apologies all around, and edited herewith....

It was meant to be
Redden + Rangers 2015 3rd to Toronto + Christian Thomas (son of former Leaf great Steve Thomas)
for
Leafs 5th in 2013

Rangers have options on Redden, best solution is to trade him, which requires someone who can afford him for balance of his contract, who might want to use one of their 2 buyouts if necessary, but who do not particularly show need to buy out at this time. That could be leafs if we can agree on the cost of what you want to take him off our hands...

Quote:
Even if the Leafs did have Thomas. The proposal as Redden and a 2015 3rd for B-prospect + 2013 5th. In what world do the Leafs want Redden? and in what world would they actually give up value for him? Weird.
The correction should clarify this.
Your 5th next year for a NY 3rd in 2015 + Thomas.

Thomas is boom-bust. He has all the tools but is slightly undersized.
He could just not cut it, in which case this meant nada, or, with or without a lot of protein shakes, he could become another Martin St. Louis, at which point his value is way more than a second or third on top of the 2015 3rd. But that is an admitted risk.

bernmeister is online now  
Old
01-15-2013, 12:43 PM
  #352
iamitter
Thornton's Hen
 
iamitter's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: NYC
Country: United States
Posts: 3,564
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by bernmeister View Post
I screwed that up. Apologies all around, and edited herewith....

It was meant to be
Redden + Rangers 2015 3rd to Toronto + Christian Thomas (son of former Leaf great Steve Thomas)
for
Leafs 5th in 2013

Rangers have options on Redden, best solution is to trade him, which requires someone who can afford him for balance of his contract, who might want to use one of their 2 buyouts if necessary, but who do not particularly show need to buy out at this time. That could be leafs if we can agree on the cost of what you want to take him off our hands...


The correction should clarify this.
Your 5th next year for a NY 3rd in 2015 + Thomas.

Thomas is boom-bust. He has all the tools but is slightly undersized.
He could just not cut it, in which case this meant nada, or, with or without a lot of protein shakes, he could become another Martin St. Louis, at which point his value is way more than a second or third on top of the 2015 3rd. But that is an admitted risk.
If you're following the news, it's a possibility the NHL will allow us to buy out Redden right now.

Hold your horses, our entire fanbase has been trying to tell you there is no point in trading Redden, especially if we have to give up value to do so.

We're dropping in the draft and giving up Thomas for what exactly? We don't need the capspace this season and we don't have anyone else to use the buyout on anyway.

iamitter is online now  
Old
01-15-2013, 12:50 PM
  #353
Kyle Doobas*
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Toronto, ON
Country: Canada
Posts: 8,662
vCash: 159
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace14 View Post
How about Lombardi for Boedker? PS, anyone want some Rohypnol?
Boedker for Lombardi + Don Maloney's unharmed family members

Kyle Doobas* is offline  
Old
01-15-2013, 12:53 PM
  #354
Man Bear Pig
Registered User
 
Man Bear Pig's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Earth
Posts: 17,200
vCash: 500
Is the title implying that Lombardi is a second line center?

Man Bear Pig is offline  
Old
01-15-2013, 12:53 PM
  #355
Petes2424
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 5,304
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by cgf View Post
I wonder how far off O'Reilly and Elliott/Barrie/Gaunce/Siemens for Hanzal and Gormley is. Phoenix trades the more established package but gets the higher ceilinged one.

As an Avs fan I still like the idea of Radar and one of the prospects for Kulikov and Matthias more, but both are trades I could get behind if we do have to trade O'Reilly.
Maloney is looking for guys up the middle. Not getting rid of. Hanzal isnt going anywhere. The proposal above simply doesnt solve anything for either team. Just passing parts and not addressing the goal at hand.

Petes2424 is online now  
Old
01-15-2013, 01:00 PM
  #356
bernmeister
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Da Big Apple
Country: United States
Posts: 13,212
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by TOGuy14 View Post
Is there any particular reason the Leafs decide to take on a buyout contract to move up a to a third round draft pick?

Seriously?

We are just going to throw a lifeline to the Rags so they can go get Yandle on their team too?
With apology.
Was supposed to be Thomas + the pick swap.

You are not supposed to throw us a lifeline.
We can buy out Redden ourselves.
The point was
1). as a precursor to something around Stepan + for Yandle --- which is the relevant part of the thread --- , do we want to move Redden if we get any takers, assuming one can be adequately bribed?

2). after we finalize the cap clearing move of Redden -- what changes if any agreed to --- then, knowing what those possible revisions might be, what is the exact deal for Yandle (Stepan +)

bernmeister is online now  
Old
01-15-2013, 01:00 PM
  #357
CobraAcesS
Registered User
 
CobraAcesS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Michigan
Country: United States
Posts: 12,734
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Petes2424 View Post
Maloney is looking for guys up the middle. Not getting rid of. Hanzal isnt going anywhere. The proposal above simply doesnt solve anything for either team. Just passing parts and not addressing the goal at hand.
Pretty much exactly how I feel about it, as an Avs fan. Rather just add a + to O'Reilly for Yandle.

CobraAcesS is online now  
Old
01-15-2013, 01:03 PM
  #358
bernmeister
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Da Big Apple
Country: United States
Posts: 13,212
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by iamitter View Post
If you're following the news, it's a possibility the NHL will allow us to buy out Redden right now.

Hold your horses, our entire fanbase has been trying to tell you there is no point in trading Redden, especially if we have to give up value to do so.

We're dropping in the draft and giving up Thomas for what exactly? We don't need the capspace this season and we don't have anyone else to use the buyout on anyway.
That would be a difference maker.

As to why, it is a ? of whether the cost is worth the flexibility, particularly as it would be immediate flexibility.

bernmeister is online now  
Old
01-15-2013, 01:14 PM
  #359
Keeping it Blue
Registered User
 
Keeping it Blue's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Vancouver, BC
Country: Canada
Posts: 705
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by bernmeister View Post
I screwed that up. Apologies all around, and edited herewith....

It was meant to be
Redden + Rangers 2015 3rd to Toronto + Christian Thomas (son of former Leaf great Steve Thomas)
for
Leafs 5th in 2013
Plus Leafs paying 5 million + 3.3 million (buyout).


There is no chance the Leafs will pay 8.3 million and give up a pick in the next draft for B/C level prospect and a 3rd pick in three years. Maybe, maybe it makes sense if you give a 2nd round pick in next years draft.



I hope they do let you guys buy him out and just carry the full 6.5 million cap hit for this year only. You're planning on doing it anyway. At least give him a chance to play.

Keeping it Blue is offline  
Old
01-15-2013, 01:22 PM
  #360
Falcons93
Registered User
 
Falcons93's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 3,660
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Man Bear Pig View Post
Is the title implying that Lombardi is a second line center?
This...lol

Falcons93 is offline  
Old
01-15-2013, 01:41 PM
  #361
Matthew McConaughey
Registered Hoosier
 
Matthew McConaughey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Cupcake Summit
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,961
vCash: 500
Has Lombardi fallen this much, that Leaf fans are willing to simply give him away? I thought he was great when he was last with Phoenix.

Matthew McConaughey is offline  
Old
01-15-2013, 02:01 PM
  #362
Magic Man
Registered User
 
Magic Man's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 2,767
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stump View Post
Has Lombardi fallen this much, that Leaf fans are willing to simply give him away? I thought he was great when he was last with Phoenix.
I think many believe moving Lombardi opens up a spot for Nazem Kadri. Lombardi is coming off a bad year and an injury year before that. I don't think many care at all if he brings anything back.

IMO it's terrible asset management.

Magic Man is offline  
Old
01-15-2013, 02:04 PM
  #363
Keeping it Blue
Registered User
 
Keeping it Blue's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Vancouver, BC
Country: Canada
Posts: 705
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by vinnybaby View Post
I think many believe moving Lombardi opens up a spot for Nazem Kadri. Lombardi is coming off a bad year and an injury year before that. I don't think many care at all if he brings anything back.

IMO it's terrible asset management.
Not really. He was a cap dump when he was acquired and hasn't really done much to disprove that (unlike, for example, Lupul). We don't really believe he will end up doing much and the largest benefit is as you say, an open roster spot on the wing where we have plenty of players ready for a shot.

Keeping it Blue is offline  
Old
01-15-2013, 02:11 PM
  #364
uncleben85
Moderator
My face is my mask.
 
uncleben85's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Erin, Ontario
Country: Canada
Posts: 7,340
vCash: 309
Quote:
Originally Posted by bernmeister View Post
Redden + Rangers 2015 3rd to Toronto + Christian Thomas (son of former Leaf great Steve Thomas)
for
Leafs 5th in 2013
I would do that.

And I like Lombardi, but he was unable to regain his form after his injury. If a change of scenery will help him, I will happily let him go, for the sake of his own career.
He's a good guy, and a good player that a bad thing happened to. Best of luck to him where ever he is.

uncleben85 is offline  
Old
01-15-2013, 02:54 PM
  #365
Magic Man
Registered User
 
Magic Man's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 2,767
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Keeping it Blue View Post
Not really. He was a cap dump when he was acquired and hasn't really done much to disprove that (unlike, for example, Lupul). We don't really believe he will end up doing much and the largest benefit is as you say, an open roster spot on the wing where we have plenty of players ready for a shot.
He was only a cap dump because he had missed a full year with concussion and there was no return in sight. He had 2 years left at 3.5 million, uninsured with a small market team.

Since then he has played 60+ games without recieving a concussion. Had another extra bit of time to recover/get in shape due to the lockout. He also only has one year left with the possibility of the contract being a prorated 1.75 million dollar amount/cap-hit.

The Leafs also aren't messing with the cap and other than making room for Nazem Kadri have no need to mess with team depth. Ashton, Hamilton, Aucoin, Colborne aren't better at this point than Lombardi.

Magic Man is offline  
Old
01-15-2013, 03:00 PM
  #366
Naych_PHX
Hey now!
 
Naych_PHX's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: phoenix
Posts: 6,033
vCash: 500
Where did this rumor come from? Here? It seems like a plausible move but who knows if it's really more than that.

And yeah, the Coyotes are pretty much looking at any center at this point. I'd like something better but would gladly try Lombo out again.

Naych_PHX is online now  
Old
01-15-2013, 03:02 PM
  #367
Commander Clueless
Spaz-o-matic Dan
 
Commander Clueless's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Country: Canada
Posts: 10,590
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stump View Post
Has Lombardi fallen this much, that Leaf fans are willing to simply give him away? I thought he was great when he was last with Phoenix.
He struggled last year (and who can blame him with that injury) and didn't seem to fit well. It mostly boils down to Leafs fans begging (and rightfully so IMO) for the team to play guys like Kadri and Frattin.

I like Lombo but the Leafs need roster space.

Commander Clueless is offline  
Old
01-15-2013, 03:06 PM
  #368
cyris
On a Soma Holiday
 
cyris's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: 3rd Planet From Sun.
Country: Canada
Posts: 12,692
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stump View Post
Has Lombardi fallen this much, that Leaf fans are willing to simply give him away? I thought he was great when he was last with Phoenix.
He was great in Phoenix. Then he signed a big contract in Nashville and suffered a major concision 2 games into it. Got traded to Toronto in a cap dump and couldn't regain form last season.
In fairness he did miss a full year including all of training camp.

cyris is offline  
Old
01-15-2013, 03:07 PM
  #369
Anderson55
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 1,093
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dylbot View Post
Clark MacArthur for a conditional 1st round pick in 2013. If the pick is any higher than 20th overall, it changes to a 2nd and a 5th.
haha good one

Anderson55 is offline  
Old
01-15-2013, 03:09 PM
  #370
x94Galchenyuk94x*
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Country: Canada
Posts: 175
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Anderson55 View Post
haha good one
Leafs were offered a 1st at the deadline last year for Mac.

x94Galchenyuk94x* is offline  
Old
01-15-2013, 03:10 PM
  #371
Anderson55
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 1,093
vCash: 500
The leafs should be paying teams to get Lombardi and Connolly off their roster

Anderson55 is offline  
Old
01-15-2013, 03:10 PM
  #372
Anderson55
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 1,093
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by x94Galchenyuk94x View Post
Leafs were offered a 1st at the deadline last year for Mac.
Nice rumour, if true just another reason why burke isnt the GM anymore

Anderson55 is offline  
Old
01-15-2013, 03:10 PM
  #373
stakesishigh
how swede it is
 
stakesishigh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Toronto
Country: Sweden
Posts: 6,287
vCash: 1857
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stump View Post
Has Lombardi fallen this much, that Leaf fans are willing to simply give him away? I thought he was great when he was last with Phoenix.
He was rather ineffective last year but he missed a decent chunk of time and I may be one of the few people who wants to see how he performs after a healthy off-season and training camp (even a shortened one will help I'm sure).

Unless we desperately need the roster spot he's taking up, I see no harm whatsoever in giving him a chance in Toronto this season or at least until the deadline and see how he fares.

That being said, I do have low expectations for the guy but I'm hoping he regains a bit of his former self that saw success in Phoenix. I'd hate to trade him for garbage and see him play great this year on Phoenix, so hopefully he sticks around and plays well. However, like one of the above posters said, he just sorta seemed like he didn't fit in last year so we'll see whether or not that changes.

stakesishigh is online now  
Old
01-15-2013, 03:12 PM
  #374
Woll Smoth
Registered User
 
Woll Smoth's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Mississauga
Country: Canada
Posts: 3,841
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by x94Galchenyuk94x View Post
Leafs were offered a 1st at the deadline last year for Mac.
This is HFboards

20 goal 40 assist player isn't worth anything.

Before people point out his 20 assist season look at kulemin's goal total.

Woll Smoth is offline  
Old
01-15-2013, 03:17 PM
  #375
tankotopgun
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 132
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by vinnybaby View Post
He was only a cap dump because he had missed a full year with concussion and there was no return in sight. He had 2 years left at 3.5 million, uninsured with a small market team.

Since then he has played 60+ games without recieving a concussion. Had another extra bit of time to recover/get in shape due to the lockout. He also only has one year left with the possibility of the contract being a prorated 1.75 million dollar amount/cap-hit.

The Leafs also aren't messing with the cap and other than making room for Nazem Kadri have no need to mess with team depth. Ashton, Hamilton, Aucoin, Colborne aren't better at this point than Lombardi.
I would agree with most of that following him. He has the potential to be a 20 to 25 goal scorer and would be suited for a 2nd or 3rd line center assignment. when hes healthy seems to be a point everyother game player which is decent depth. also if you watched the leafs last year they shifted him all over the place not really letting him get comfortable with his linemates. I dont care what anyone says most play better with a line they get comfortable on and have a style of play that gels. i dont think last year was a fair example of what he can bring. oh and speedwise he is on another level. the guy is quick

tankotopgun is offline  
Closed Thread

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:16 PM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2017 All Rights Reserved.