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01-12-2013, 01:38 PM
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Oh good, this thread again.

You give this group one more year together, they have earned it in my opinion. If they fizzle out before the conference final then you make big shake ups.

Lucic - Seguin - ??????
Marchand - Bergy - ??????
Pevvy - Kelly - ??????
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Z - Seids
Hamilton - Defenseman acquired for Krech
McQuaid - ???????

You have to assume that Ference and Horton are goners. If we move Krech it is for a top 4 defenseman and that makes Boychuk expendable. He would have to be moved for a forward who can at least pretend to be a top 6.

I don't know about anyone else but I don't like the look of that group of forwards at ALL. Sure, the defense becomes a strength, it better be because that group up front would struggle to score.
This is the lineup created when you trade a center of David Krejci's ability (and now the Krech haters will say "he has no ability"). He balances out the entire group of forwards. We will have one hole in the top 6 to fill in the offseason (when Horton walks), trading Krejci creates another hole. We can not go into an offseason needing two legitimate top 6 forwards.

The only way a Krejci deal works out is if one of the youngsters (Spooner, Knight or Koko) proves they can play top 6 minutes. I don't think any of them are close.

We won a Cup with great goaltending, strong system play, our top 4 on defense and the depth we had up front. Opening up hole througout the top 9 is not a path to success in my opinion.
With all those question marks there would be quite a bit of money the bruins could spend to fill them. Say the bruins packaged boychuk and a pick or 2 for a 1st round pick hypothetically. spooner can jump into the top 6 and khoklachev can play a 3rd line role. Assuming the defensemen for DK is yandle the team would look like

Lucic-seguin-TBD
Marchand-bergeron-spooner
Peverley-kelly-khoklachev
Paille-Campbell-
Thornton/macdermid

Chara-yandle
Hamilton-seidenberg
Mcquaid-trotman/krug

Rask
Svedberg

They'd be in okay shape especially since they'd have the savard,Thomas,horton, and ference money off the books. That would be enough money in theory to make a play in FA at Corey perry to play on the top line. That would be a very good roster

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I think Yandle is way overrated. Very good puck mover but nothing special defensively. I absolutely would cringe if Chia gave up Krejci for him, never mind the "+" that you're suggesting.

Must every top line forward be a top scorer? Lucic fits the first line well. He's there to create room, to bang bodies, create havoc in front of the net, chip in some ugly goals (Hartnell on Giroux line). He's one of the best at all of the above. Now if he could only do it in the playoffs...
I'm not sure way overrated but he does have Widemen mistakes... agree with the rest though IF we trade Krech at all we NEED a top 6 RW

Personally I'd hold on to him he is just coming into his prime and could really break out soon specially with Segs on his wing !!

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Yandle is tremendously overrated. Simply put,he runs around the zone. Krejci is the Bruin's only gifted playmaker. Begeron is an average offensive player at this point and Seguin does not have great playmaking sense. They will seriously rue the day they trade Krejci and unfortunately, I think they will trade Krejci.
Seguin is a better play maker than Krejci sorry to tell you.

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Seguin is a better play maker than Krejci sorry to tell you.
No, not yet.

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I think this is the better route as well. I don't think though that we can add a vet top 4 and fit him under the cap without trading significant salary back (unless the other team is willing to eat some, which they can do now).

A guy I'd love, LOVE, is Francois Beauchemin. If Anaheim is out of it quickly, I'd make a play for him. They have enough room that we can add Thomas.

Koko, a 3rd and Thomas for Beau
I like this better than Yandle for Krejci. I'm reluctant to let Krejci go. I can see the logic both for and against the long-rumored (made up?) deal, but I'd rather keep Krejci and somehow address the D another way. This seems pretty good.

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Seguin is a better play maker than Krejci sorry to tell you.
Not at this point he isn't. I do think he will develop better play making skills then DK with time though...

Krejci is far better then it seems a lot of this board thinks... Which baffles me, and we see him all the time...

Just like Krejci finished with a better +/- then Bergeron 3 out of the past 4 years, and that stat didn't matter until of course Bergeron was a +36 and Krejci a -5.

He's always the first one out the door, but an argument could be made that he is our most complete forward.

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I'm sure the Bruins will be looking to resign Horton if he has a solid campaign in this shortened season. Even if they didn't, we're looking good with cap room, as contracts are coming off the books and the free agent crop is awesome.
http://www.capgeek.com/free-agents/?...1&fa_type_id=2
I don't see the same thing you do. I don't think they can resign Horton (unless he takes a big discount) and I don't think they have money to sign anyone significant.

Also, if Tuukka performs as many expect, that's going to be a big bump.

Specifically, I see about $7m to sign: 3 F, 2 D, and 2 G.

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What does Volchenkov's contract look like? What would Uncle Lou want for him if the Devils struggle this season? Would Volchenkov fit into Bostons top-4? Where would he play?

Chara Seidenberg
Volchenkov Boychuk
Ference Seidenberg

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I'd be comfortable going into the playoffs with that blueline.
I think Volchenkov would be good fit. Though I seem to remember some NJ fans *****ing about him. If the price is right, I'd do it.

Beauchemin is another guy I'd look at. I'd guess Giordano's price tag would be too high, same goes for Yandle.

How about Komisarek? At worst, we'd get a guy to carry Lucic's gear.

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Yandle is tremendously overrated. Simply put,he runs around the zone. Krejci is the Bruin's only gifted playmaker. Begeron is an average offensive player at this point and Seguin does not have great playmaking sense. They will seriously rue the day they trade Krejci and unfortunately, I think they will trade Krejci.
I wouldn't worry, the Bruins brass pays no attention to these message boards

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I don't see the same thing you do. I don't think they can resign Horton (unless he takes a big discount) and I don't think they have money to sign anyone significant.

Also, if Tuukka performs as many expect, that's going to be a big bump.
IF they put Savard on LTIR, they will have a shade under 11 million to resign...

Horton, Rask, Ference, backup goalie, another starting forward, 7th defenseman, 13th forward.

We are in serious cap trouble for 13-14 unless we move players. Will be interesting to see if the salaries go down as much as the cap did, but you know July 1st people will overspend like crazy.

Kelly has a full NTC, Peverley can be traded to 15 teams October 1st 2013, or 8 teams during this season, Krejci can be dealt to 24 teams, Bergeron full NMC, Boychuk can be dealt to 15 teams summer of '15. Team will look very different 13-14..this is the last run for this bunch.

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I think Volchenkov would be good fit. Though I seem to remember some NJ fans *****ing about him. If the price is right, I'd do it.

Beauchemin is another guy I'd look at. I'd guess Giordano's price tag would be too high, same goes for Yandle.

How about Komisarek? At worst, we'd get a guy to carry Lucic's gear.
He makes 4.5 mil. Lou would drive him here.

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He makes 4.5 mil. Lou would drive him here.
Yeah, just looked that up. He still has a few years left at that. Kinda meh on him now.

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I wouldn't worry, the Bruins brass pays no attention to these message boards
Can you imagine if they did?

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I'm sure the Bruins will be looking to resign Horton if he has a solid campaign in this shortened season. Even if they didn't, we're looking good with cap room, as contracts are coming off the books and the free agent crop is awesome.
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It's never that awesome once July 1st hits.

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No, not yet.
Yes Krejci lacks high end elite vision, you rarely see the 'eyes in the back of his head' moves a guy like Savard used to do and we are starting to see it from Seguin. Krejci is the best passer of the puck on the team, he can saucer a pass over a maze of sticks and skates right on tape. That's why he works so well with two big bodies on his line, they go to the net and he can get it there (game 7 Tampa). Great passer with good vision not great, Seguin can be the elite playmaker sooner rather than later. But my response wasn't in favour of trading Krejci, it was pointing out he isn't our 'only playmaker', that's foolish.


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Just like Krejci finished with a better +/- then Bergeron 3 out of the past 4 years, and that stat didn't matter until of course Bergeron was a +36 and Krejci a -5.
Well the first of those four years Bergeron came back from his concussion, but don't you remember how much flack Bergeron got that year he came back? He was the so called 'elephant in the room' with his 'poor preformance'. Plus it's common sense for Krejci to have a higher plus minus than Bergeron, Bergeron is out shutting down other teams best units while Krejci gets more offensive TOI. But it obviously mattered last year when there is a huge difference between the two (like it did in 2008-09).


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2009 +2+37
2010+6+8
2011+20+23
2012 +36-5


Since we acquired Peverley and Kelly, Krejci has seen a big drop in his defensive responsibilities, that -5 is horrid on a team with our goal differential and Krejci's dwindling defensive responsiblities, only Shawn Thornton did worse. Simply put there is no defence of that period.

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It's never that awesome once July 1st hits.
Every year the free agent crop looks good and every year all the good players re-sign before July 1st


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just looked up Boedeker's stats and he has never had more than 11 goals and never hit 30 points. So what is there in his game that adds to his value.
I've been advocating a trade for Boedker for a couple of years now. The kid is one of the fastest players in the league with skill to boot. Good two way acumen and isn't shy about playing the body. He on the same line as Seguin would be one of the most dangerous lines we've seen in Boston in a long time. I love Boedker's game... He's ready and prime to have a breakthru season. I don't think he's a superstar player, but under the right conditions, he'll produce and be a huge complementary piece ( ex: Lucic ).

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Yes Krejci lacks high end elite vision, you rarely see the 'eyes in the back of his head' moves a guy like Savard used to do and we are starting to see it from Seguin. Krejci is the best passer of the puck on the team, he can saucer a pass over a maze of sticks and skates right on tape. That's why he works so well with two big bodies on his line, they go to the net and he can get it there (game 7 Tampa). Great passer slightly with good vision not great, Seguin can be the elite playmaker sooner rather than later. But my response wasn't in favour of trading Krejci, it was pointing out he isn't our 'only playmaker', that's foolish.

Well the first of those four years Bergeron came back from his concussion, but don't you remember how much flack Bergeron got that year he came back? He was the so called 'elephant in the room' with his 'poor preformance'. Plus it's common sense for Krejci to have a higher plus minus than Bergeron, Bergeron is out shutting down other teams best units while Krejci gets more offensive TOI. But it obviously mattered last year when there is a huge difference between the two (like it did in 2008-09).


YearBergeronKrejci
2009 +2+37
2010+6+8
2011+20+23
2012 +36-5


Since we acquired Peverley and Kelly, Krejci has seen a big drop in his defensive responsibilities, that -5 is horrid on a team with our goal differential and Krejci's dwindling defensive responsiblities, only Shawn Thornton did worse. Simply put there is no defence of that period.



Every year the free agent crop looks good and every year all the good players re-sign before July 1st
I don't know, having Lucic on his line definitely drags down his +/- a bit. He's awful in the defensive zone.

I agree with everything else you said, though.

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I don't know, having Lucic on his line definitely drags down his +/- a bit. He's awful in the defensive zone.

I agree with everything else you said, though.
I agree that -5 last season was poor, but compared with Bergeron Krech has lost one of his regular wingers and, as mentioned, has a turnover-prone Looch as a permanent fixture on his other wing. Bergy on the other hand has had steady linemates two years running, good chemistry with a defensively solid Marchand and Recchi/much improved Seguin.

So there are "excuses". Or at least mitigating circumstances.

If Horty's really back to his old self, I expect Krech's numbers significantly bumped.

And for the record, while I like Yandle going by limited viewings, I firmly believe we need Krejci more than we need a PMD that may or may not work in Boston. Especially before we see how close Dougie is to contributing.

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He makes 4.5 mil. Lou would drive him here.
What if NJ was enticed to carry $1m of his cap hit? Would Volchenkov at $3.5m (Boychuk money) be good value? I see him as another Seidenberg, both great fits in a Julien system. But I agree, 4.5 is hard to swallow.

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Beauchemin would be a great addition to this top-4. His style of play fits the Bruins.

Mark Giordano is another guy I'd keep an eye on. Smooth skater, strong too. Perhaps he'd be too expensive (also not sure of his contract status). But something tells me Calgary will find themselves DNQ again this season, and the fire sale will finally commence. Guys like Koko Knight Subban may look really attractive to a rebuilding team.
Beauchemin would be an ideal fit in our system. Giordano is another guy who would be a good fit here, imo. i like both these guys more than Yandle for the Bruins. i like Yandle but i think he is overrated, especially by Bruins fans. he isn't that good in his own zone, we have seen offensive defensemen like him struggle in our system before.

i definitely would not trade Krejci for Yandle, that would be stupid. it is amazing how underrated and under appreciated Krejci is on this board. trading any of our top 6 forwards for a defensemen would really hurt this team offensively. if we need to add a d-man it can't come at a top 6 forwards expense, we need to do it with picks and prospects.

the only way i trade Krejci is if a guy like Getzlaf is coming back, and with our cap situation for next year i don't see that happening

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Chara/Seidenberg
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Those 2 would change spots IMO.

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I'm not sure but can someone clear this up for me, doesn't Krejci's NTC kick in this season? Nevertheless, I wouldn't trade Krejci because he gives us depth down the middle and could be useful if Horton does not re-sign with us after this season.

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I'm not sure but can someone clear this up for me, doesn't Krejci's NTC kick in this season? Nevertheless, I wouldn't trade Krejci because he gives us depth down the middle and could be useful if Horton does not re-sign with us after this season.
Next season.

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I agree that -5 last season was poor, but compared with Bergeron Krech has lost one of his regular wingers and, as mentioned, has a turnover-prone Looch as a permanent fixture on his other wing. Bergy on the other hand has had steady linemates two years running, good chemistry with a defensively solid Marchand and Recchi/much improved Seguin.

So there are "excuses". Or at least mitigating circumstances.
I think Krejci’s -5 illustrates he isn’t ‘that’ good defensively. He is good at the flashy side of defence; stripping the puck away, reading the play, intercepting the pass and sending the puck up ice. But Krejci lacks defensive awareness and doesn’t take his man in the defensive zone. Part of this is a lack of size and strength and poor positioning, but it seems worse because Lucic turns the puck over putting Krejci in that position. We can’t blame Lucic though (but he is a part of it), he finished the season with a +7. Krejci’s defensive prowess is overrated.

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Next season.

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Ah, thank you for the reply!

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