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01-12-2013, 02:56 PM
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B. Schenn isn't going anywhere after the acquisition of his brother. with that said i think the flyers add. maybe something around the Schenn brothers for those two would be more fair but i wouldn't be interested in that. Flyers do have a decent D core so they don't need to add much and if possible they would like to keep there young forward core together (Giroux, Couturier, Schenn, Simmonds, Voracek). this is why i was thinking something around Read + pick(s) for Rundblad
Now the post started out well and then went to hell....I don't understand how anyone other than the Flyers GM can make that statement. I know it seems unlikely but it just happened....it is impossible to discount the possibility that it would happen again(Richards/Carter). I can't take the rest of the post seriously now...

If you would like to discuss that, pm me. I don't want to derail the thread.

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Rundblad interest me big time, but not at the price of Read +2nd rounder. I think we might have that pick on the wrong end. Rundblad, has the potential, but has been inconsistent in the NHL. He has played well in the AHL though, but still needs to improve the defense in the NHL. His offensive upside is intirguing, but why are the Flyers trading the pick when Read is a proven 20 goal scorer and had 48 points in his rookie year. He has two year left on his contract also before he is a UFA. Rundblad needs to be resigned also after this year, and will be tricky to determine his pay without him playing consistently in the NHL.

Rundblad +3rd or 4th rounder

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Matt Read.

Yes I understand Matt Read only played one year, but he showed he can hang in the NHL. He is versatile as well with playing the power play and also penalty kill. He played a pretty big part of our forward group.

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Rundblad interest me big time, but not at the price of Read +2nd rounder. I think we might have that pick on the wrong end. Rundblad, has the potential, but has been inconsistent in the NHL. He has played well in the AHL though, but still needs to improve the defense in the NHL. His offensive upside is intirguing, but why are the Flyers trading the pick when Read is a proven 20 goal scorer and had 48 points in his rookie year. He has two year left on his contract also before he is a UFA. Rundblad needs to be resigned also after this year, and will be tricky to determine his pay without him playing consistently in the NHL.

Rundblad +3rd or 4th rounder

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Matt Read.

Yes I understand Matt Read only played one year, but he showed he can hang in the NHL. He is versatile as well with playing the power play and also penalty kill. He played a pretty big part of our forward group.
Read will never be better than a good 2nd liner. Rundblad could outscore him as a D, he has some of the highest offensive potential in the world. No way the Yotes add. I can see why you wouldnt want to add to Read, he's a gem, but Phx could get a similar player elsewhere.
Also Rundblad will sign for a mil this offseason, unless he proves he's worth more.

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Rundblad for Read seems about right to me. I don't think picks are necessary.

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Would the Coyotes be more interested in Laughton? Very good 2-way C prospect who could be their 2nd or 3rd line center soon. Gritty, hardworking, defensive C. Probably like a bit less offensive Mike Richards.

I really like Laughton, it's just that with Giroux, Couturier and Schenn down the middle for the future, Laughton might be worth more to us as a trading asset.

Laughton + 2nd
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Read + 3rd
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Would the Coyotes be more interested in Laughton? Very good 2-way C prospect who could be their 2nd or 3rd line center soon. Gritty, hardworking, defensive C. Probably like a bit less offensive Mike Richards.

I really like Laughton, it's just that with Giroux, Couturier and Schenn down the middle for the future, Laughton might be worth more to us as a trading asset.

Laughton + 2nd
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Read + 3rd
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I'd very much rather Keep Laughton over Rundblad. Also, I would think that to some point, I know he's not proven yet, but Laughton might still have more value than Rundblad right now. Just a thought.

Anyways, it would really hurt out offense to get rid of Read, but for Rundblad... I'd do it. But if we were to do this before the season started, it would hurt, considering we'd lose Read and then we still don't have Briere for the first two games at least. So bringing up guys would really suck... Also, is Read left, it might force Laughton to come up early (possibly too early) and stay.

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If I were the Coyotes GM, I would be targeting Couturier. He's defensively responsible so you know he'd fit with Tippett, and he has untapped upside. Worst case, you have another Hanzal to throw out in our top 6. And we have very talented defensemen to spare.
Now I don't think Rundblad has that kind of trade value until he has more time under his belt mind you. There's way too much risk there for Philly. Having said that, he is amazing with the puck and seems to be progressing. It might not be long until he does.
Honestly, Read and a pick would not interest me. Rundblad's upside is just too high. It's not bad value, but I don't think Read is interesting enough for me to pull the trigger. If I was trading Rundblad, I'd want another potential gamebreaker back, and that's not Read (good as he is).
Phoenix doesn't need to trade a defenseman until it's clear Rundblad/Gormley/Stone are ready for full-time roles in the top 4. When/if they are ready, their trade value will be much higher than it is now. That is the time to make a trade: either a veteran to make room or an up and coming but established D. Either way we get a much better return then than now.

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If I were the Coyotes GM, I would be targeting Couturier. He's defensively responsible so you know he'd fit with Tippett, and he has untapped upside. Worst case, you have another Hanzal to throw out in our top 6. And we have very talented defensemen to spare.
Now I don't think Rundblad has that kind of trade value until he has more time under his belt mind you. There's way too much risk there for Philly. Having said that, he is amazing with the puck and seems to be progressing. It might not be long until he does.
Honestly, Read and a pick would not interest me. Rundblad's upside is just too high. It's not bad value, but I don't think Read is interesting enough for me to pull the trigger. If I was trading Rundblad, I'd want another potential gamebreaker back, and that's not Read (good as he is).
Phoenix doesn't need to trade a defenseman until it's clear Rundblad/Gormley/Stone are ready for full-time roles in the top 4. When/if they are ready, their trade value will be much higher than it is now. That is the time to make a trade: either a veteran to make room or an up and coming but established D. Either way we get a much better return then than now.
If the coyotes want Couturier, the Flyers want Oliver Ekman-Larsson.

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If the coyotes want Couturier, the Flyers want Oliver Ekman-Larsson.
That's just silly talk.

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Would the Coyotes be more interested in Laughton?
The Coyotes need players who can provide now, not in three years. They're a contending team and need players more than prospects right now.

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If I were the Coyotes GM, I would be targeting Couturier. He's defensively responsible so you know he'd fit with Tippett, and he has untapped upside. Worst case, you have another Hanzal to throw out in our top 6. And we have very talented defensemen to spare.
Now I don't think Rundblad has that kind of trade value until he has more time under his belt mind you. There's way too much risk there for Philly. Having said that, he is amazing with the puck and seems to be progressing. It might not be long until he does.
Honestly, Read and a pick would not interest me. Rundblad's upside is just too high. It's not bad value, but I don't think Read is interesting enough for me to pull the trigger. If I was trading Rundblad, I'd want another potential gamebreaker back, and that's not Read (good as he is).
Phoenix doesn't need to trade a defenseman until it's clear Rundblad/Gormley/Stone are ready for full-time roles in the top 4. When/if they are ready, their trade value will be much higher than it is now. That is the time to make a trade: either a veteran to make room or an up and coming but established D. Either way we get a much better return then than now.
I can respect hat but Couturier is a non starter.

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That's just silly talk.
How so? What reason would we have to trade Couturier unless OEL were coming back?

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The Coyotes need players who can provide now, not in three years. They're a contending team and need players more than prospects right now.
The Flyers are also a contending team. IMO, they can't really trade Read for a non NHL ready player, like Runblad. Read is really valuable to our team right now. Unless its a big overpay, he just can't be traded for a prospect.

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The Flyers are also a contending team. IMO, they can't really trade Read for a non NHL ready player, like Runblad. Read is really valuable to our team right now. Unless its a big overpay, he just can't be traded for a prospect.
I, au contraire with many of my fellow Coyotes fans, think Rundblad is NHL ready. He have really shaped up his defensive game and would be a given on many teams' D, just not the very stacked that the Coyotes have.

Philadelphia's abysmal D? He should gain a spot, easily.

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Rundblad is NHL ready on teams not coached by Tippett. He made Boedker, a responsible 2 way player in his own right, earn more than 10 minutes a night. Not sure what chance in hell Rundblad has.

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I'd suggest something around Brayden Schenn + if we hadn't just acquired Luke. Phoenix needs centers don't they?
wait... what? Schenn > Rundblad (and I was EXTREMELY high on Rundblad when he played in Sweden and went over, huge fan of his).

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Rundblad is NHL ready on teams not coached by Tippett. He made Boedker, a responsible 2 way player in his own right, earn more than 10 minutes a night. Not sure what chance in hell Rundblad has.
What do you think it would take for Rangers to aquire Rundblad?

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What do you think it would take for Rangers to aquire Rundblad?
Rangers don't really have anyone appealing to the Coyotes that would be an option after the Nash trade.

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I, au contraire with many of my fellow Coyotes fans, think Rundblad is NHL ready. He have really shaped up his defensive game and would be a given on many teams' D, just not the very stacked that the Coyotes have.

Philadelphia's abysmal D? He should gain a spot, easily.
Can't tell if serious, but he'd be competing for the #6 spot.

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Rangers don't really have anyone appealing to the Coyotes that would be an option after the Nash trade.
Okay. But what are the Phoenix looking for? Prospects? Vets? D's? FWD's?

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Schenn +? You're kidding. Schenn is easily worth more than Rundblad.
My God yes! Rundblad's star has dropped big time. Murphy is a better prospect than David.

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Can't tell if serious, but he'd be competing for the #6 spot.

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Completely serious. Philadelphia got one of the worst D corps in the league since Pronger is not coming back. The fact that Grossmann is considered a top pairing D says a lot in how ****ing abysmal that D is.

There's one, maybe two or three, D corps I wouldn't take ahead of the Philadelphia setup, but they're a bottom 5 team in D at best.

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Okay. But what are the Phoenix looking for? Prospects? Vets? D's? FWD's?
3rd line center primarly.

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My God yes! Rundblad's star has dropped big time. Murphy is a better prospect than David.
if you mean Connor Murphy I'm unfortunate to say no, probably not, due to Murphy's extreme injury problems. That dude just can't stay healthy and was just injured for the rest of the season again.

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Completely serious. Philadelphia got one of the worst D corps in the league since Pronger is not coming back. The fact that Grossmann is considered a top pairing D says a lot in how ****ing abysmal that D is.

There's one, maybe two or three, D corps I wouldn't take ahead of the Philadelphia setup, but they're a bottom 5 team in D at best.


3rd line center primarly.
Did you watch the flyers at all once they got Grossmann?

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Yeah, I did, which is why I stand by my earlier remark. Making a horrible D into an abysmal one is an upgrade, yeah, but once again the team where he is a first pairing guy is a team with immense D issues.

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