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01-14-2013, 02:13 PM
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According to Uncle Ted this morning, they were not even selling Grig jerseys.
Yeah, I definitely remember hearing that on the way to work this morning.

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I was actually under the impression that they didn't have Grigorenko's jersey yet.

Howard Simon asked Ted Black this morning if they were selling his jerseys at the Sabres store today and Black said "I don't think so... no. I don't think he would want to sell Grigorenko jerseys yet either. You make the team then you sell the jersey."

edit: Yeah, beat to it.

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I was actually under the impression that they didn't have Grigorenko's jersey yet.

Howard Simon asked Ted Black this morning if they were selling his jerseys at the Sabres store today and Black said "I don't think so... no. I don't think he would want to sell Grigorenko jerseys yet either. You make the team then you sell the jersey."

edit: Yeah, beat to it.
They were selling them, and they sold out in 30 minutes. My source is a personal email from Ted Black.

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Sorry I didn’t do more to help you last time. My apologies. Best regards, TNB PS- #25 jerseys were on sale. Sold out in 30 minutes….

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Vanek was benched in the playoffs in his rookie season too....just saying

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Vanek was benched in the playoffs in his rookie season too....just saying
Vanek had a season - a full season + a playoff run - with the Amerks under his belt. And not only was he playing against "men"...he was playing against the NHL's best AHL-eligible players, because that was a lockout year.

Again, not comparable. This would be a jump from playing with teens to playing with men. Nobody has done that as a center, as far as I can remember, under Ruff.

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This reminds me of the Tyler Myers situation. He came into camp as a kid who was likely going to be sent back to juniors. He then played his handful of games in Buffalo and Ruff and Co. realized they couldn't send him back! Myers compelled them to keep him. He made a convincing case for his ability to play on a routine basis in the NHL.

Grigs has to do the same thing! Give us a solid training camp and 5 games and show us you are too good to be sent back to the Q.

If he can do that, he will, and it will be obvious!

If he is not quite there yet, send him back.

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So Grigs is going to wear #25? I like it. As for him making the team I only seen 2 games from the WJC and just basing off of that I expect to see him back in juniors. I just don't see R/R giving him a 5 game try-out only to play on the 4th line..

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So Grigs is going to wear #25? I like it. As for him making the team I only seen 2 games from the WJC and just basing off of that I expect to see him back in juniors. I just don't see R/R giving him a 5 game try-out only to play on the 4th line..
His 5-game tryout has him on one of the three main lines, not the "fourth"...he's playing with Leino and Ott. I'd expect those two wingers to see a lot of ice time this year, regardless of who's centering them.

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So Grigs is going to wear #25? I like it. As for him making the team I only seen 2 games from the WJC and just basing off of that I expect to see him back in juniors. I just don't see R/R giving him a 5 game try-out only to play on the 4th line..
He's been practicing on the 3rd line with Leino and Ott, and Ruff indicated he may try him with Vanek/Pommer at camp.
Seems like a pretty sure bet to me that he gets a 5 game tryout, and then they have Hecht back in case it doesn't work out.

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I think Grigs starting on the 3rd line with Leino and Ott is perfect. Give him 12-13 minutes at ES and then 2+ mins on the PP. If he is getting 15 minutes a game , I think he should be able to handle that , especially since his line will be often getting the opponents 3rd pairing which could lead to a mismatch that would favor us.

At the minimum he needs the 5 game tryout, there is absolutely no reason not to give it to him, even if he isn't ready full time give him the 5 games and Send him back if he is in over his head. If he's anything better then average then keep him up, let him learn on the big club. The half season in the Q has helped immensely, and I think 48 games in the NHL would better his development then another 30 or so games in juniors. Quebec isn't a top team by any stretch of the imagination and probably won't make it anywhere near the Memorial Cup.

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He's been practicing on the 3rd line with Leino and Ott, and Ruff indicated he may try him with Vanek/Pommer at camp.
Seems like a pretty sure bet to me that he gets a 5 game tryout, and then they have Hecht back in case it doesn't work out.
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His 5-game tryout has him on one of the three main lines, not the "fourth"...he's playing with Leino and Ott. I'd expect those two wingers to see a lot of ice time this year, regardless of who's centering them.
I was not aware of that, I really like the idea of a L/G/O line. So then Hecht is presumed to be the fourth line center with Kaleta and Gerbe?

Grigs won't be able to goto Rochester correct? thought I read that somewhere...

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I was not aware of that, I really like the idea of a L/G/O line. So then Hecht is presumed to be the fourth line center with Kaleta and Gerbe?

Grigs won't be able to goto Rochester correct? thought I read that somewhere...
Pros or bust, age restricted to juniors.

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every article sullivan writes is aimed at commiserating with the cynical, jaded buffalo sports fan by playing the fight the power, management is screwing the fans, nothing ever goes right in this town card. he is condescending and negative. i do not like his articles.

as you may guess, i feel his opinion that grigorenko should stay in the nhl this season is based not on a real assessment of his talent, but rather a compulsion to go against the grain of what he perceives sabres management will decide.

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Pros or bust, age restricted to juniors.
Are Euros no longer exempt from that? See Girgensons, Zemgus.

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Are Euros no longer exempt from that? See Girgensons, Zemgus.
Girgensons didn't play in the CHL (juniors) last year. He played in the USHL.

The CHL-NHL agreement dictates the age restrictions.

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Girgensons didn't play in the CHL (juniors) last year. He played in the USHL.

The CHL-NHL agreement dictates the age restrictions.
Ah, that's right. Thanks for reminding me.

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Thats to bad he couldn't goto Rochester, they could use him..

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I think Grigs starting on the 3rd line with Leino and Ott is perfect. Give him 12-13 minutes at ES and then 2+ mins on the PP. If he is getting 15 minutes a game , I think he should be able to handle that , especially since his line will be often getting the opponents 3rd pairing which could lead to a mismatch that would favor us.

At the minimum he needs the 5 game tryout, there is absolutely no reason not to give it to him, even if he isn't ready full time give him the 5 games and Send him back if he is in over his head. If he's anything better then average then keep him up, let him learn on the big club. The half season in the Q has helped immensely, and I think 48 games in the NHL would better his development then another 30 or so games in juniors. Quebec isn't a top team by any stretch of the imagination and probably won't make it anywhere near the Memorial Cup.
Agree 100%... it's a short season and the Sabres need goal scorers not grinders... The problem is Lindy Ruff is in love with grinders... playoffs not so much.

Grigs will get five games but for some reason I already think Ruff is determined to send him down so the old German can play...

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I think he should play cuz Sully always says how everything sucks.

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Most defiantly will make the opening day roster and get 5 games. He is better off up here then in junior imo. This coming from someone who hates rushing prospects.

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What's with the comments saying "I saw him in the WJC...he wasn't impressive" ???

I watched every minute of every game in the tournament. When the Russians were playing, I really watched out for Grigs. I thought he was consistently dangerous in the O zone and very responsible in the D zone.

He strikes me as a future Dale Hawerchuk type. A guy who looks to pass the puck first, but has a knack for making plays and setting people up with a sweet pass. I thought he looked like a future NHL star.

Yakupov, in contrast, looked like a puck hog with blinders on...another Russian who thinks he can do it all on his own with his glorious level of skill. Those guys are worthless in the NHL, especially come playoff time.

Let's see what Grigs can do in camp and in that 5 game tryout! I'm looking forward to it.

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every article sullivan writes is aimed at commiserating with the cynical, jaded buffalo sports fan by playing the fight the power, management is screwing the fans, nothing ever goes right in this town card. he is condescending and negative. i do not like his articles.

as you may guess, i feel his opinion that grigorenko should stay in the nhl this season is based not on a real assessment of his talent, but rather a compulsion to go against the grain of what he perceives sabres management will decide.
Bingo. That is exactly it. Journalism as a whole has gone down the drain. They no longer take a balanced look at anything...they pick a topic and just spin spin spin ..in order to fit their agenda. The more controversy they cause the better. (Web hits,/Ratings).. ask Piers Morgan.

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Great to have hockey back boys. So what are the oddmakers saying is Grigorenko's chance of: 6-games, 48-games?

Good to be back.

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If he gets sent back to juniors, I will be crushed. I really, really want to watch him in Buffalo this year.

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