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Will there be another goalie going into the HHOF before Lundqvist?

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06-27-2017, 03:07 AM
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Will there be another goalie going into the HHOF before Lundqvist?

Given that it's so hard for a goaltender getting inducted it's far from a 100% lock that Lundqvist is getting in but let's assume that he will.

Will there be another goalie between Brodeur and Lundqvist in the future who gets inducted? Is there even any that should get inducted without basing it on what goalies are in already?


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06-27-2017, 03:18 AM
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I'd say there's a 110% chance Brodeur will be inducted next year.

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06-27-2017, 04:42 AM
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Brodeur and Luongo.

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I'd say there's a 110% chance Brodeur will be inducted next year.
Yeah you damn right. Forgot about that, he played a year in St. Louis.

But beyond him?

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06-27-2017, 06:14 AM
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Yeah you damn right. Forgot about that, he played a year in St. Louis.

But beyond him?
Luongo should get in the HHOF.

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Between their inductions or between their retirements?
Between their retirements, I don't think so.
Between their inductions, the HHOF should go back and induct Barrasso.

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06-27-2017, 07:51 AM
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Actually, what I'm really curious about is how someone could not think about Luongo (or worse, think about Barrasso:he lp:) when asking such a question.

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06-27-2017, 08:04 AM
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Actually, what I'm really curious about is how someone could not think about Luongo (or worse, think about Barrasso:he lp:) when asking such a question.
Make your argument. I'm willing to listen.

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06-27-2017, 08:08 AM
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Make your argument. I'm willing to listen.
Make your argument. I'm willing to listen.

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But more seriously, the HHOF is to admit Andreychuk, they might have to find some room for Joseph, Barrasso, Beezer and Liut between now and Luongo's actual eligibility.

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Make your argument. I'm willing to listen.
You challenged my point and failed to make an argument to support it again. At this point, I'm willing to just let my opinion stand against yours. If you post some sort of research to support what you're saying, I'll respond... but not before then.

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You challenged my point and failed to make an argument to support it again. At this point, I'm willing to just let my opinion stand against yours. If you post some sort of research to support what you're saying, I'll respond... but not before then.
Are you really trying to dictate what I should post?

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Are you really trying to dictate what I should post?
Well, by creating this thread, that is what I actually wanted to hear.

Luongo and Barrasso basically have to be among the 4 best available times the X amount years until Lundqvist retirement+3 which I'm not sure they are.

Their best chance of getting in are within the next 3 or so years. Soon Thornton, Iginla etc. will retire.

The point is to make it look more credible that it's not an outlandish guess to suggest that Lundqvist might be the next goalie going into the HHOF after Brodeur.

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Well, by creating this thread, that is what I actually wanted to hear.
Luongo using their skater standards should easily make it.

But the HoF operates in strange ways and are harsher when voting for goalies it's not a given he'll make it in that timeframe.

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06-27-2017, 09:49 AM
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Well, by creating this thread, that is what I actually wanted to hear.

Luongo and Barrasso basically have to be among the 4 best available times the X amount years until Lundqvist retirement+3 which I'm not sure they are.

Their best chance of getting in are within the next 3 or so years. Soon Thornton, Iginla etc. will retire.
The post you quoted was obviously not directed at you.

I have a hard time seeing Luongo retiring only one year before Lundqvist does, honestly. He has a non-negligible opportunity to get to 500 career wins... And that's despite being a Florida Panther for a non-negligible part of his career.

And if it somehow happens, I'll get both goalies in at the same time.

For kicks : by HR criterias, there was 17 skaters who played at least 10 games last season and who were 37 or + . I'd divide them as such :

LOCKS ON 1ST YEAR OF ELIGIBILITY : Thornton, Chara, Iginla, Jagr
WILL BE DISCUSSED SERIOUSLY : Marleau, Hossa
THEIR CANDIDACY WILL BE STUDIED AND PROBABLY QUICKLY REJECTED : Markov, Doan, Campbell, Kunitz
WON'T EVEN MAKE IT TO THE DISCUSSION STAGE : Gionta, Chimera, Cullen, Streit, Neil, the other Thornton, Rozsival

If you make it 36+ instead, you add the Sedins and Zetterberg in one of the first two groups (YMMV).

So, that's 6 skaters good candidates that are good candidates (at worse) who are likely to retire before Lundqvist. And 3 others who are quite likely too. So that makes 11 players in all if you add Datsyuk and Kovalchuk.

Some of them might have played their last game, as you know. That's... not THAT many players. A few of them will retire before Luongo, and they don't necessarily have a better case than Luongo.

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Brodeur will get in. I also think Joseph gets in in a weak class. Maybe even Barrasso, Luongo and Beezer as well.

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Luongo should get in the HHOF.
I am still a firm believer that the likes of Osgood, Joseph, Vernon, & Barrasso should get in prior to Luongo.

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I am still a firm believer that the likes of Osgood, Joseph, Vernon, & Barrasso should get in prior to Luongo.
Ah. Okay. That's interesting.

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You challenged my point and failed to make an argument to support it again. At this point, I'm willing to just let my opinion stand against yours. If you post some sort of research to support what you're saying, I'll respond... but not before then.
One more time : Are you really trying to tell me what to post?

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I am still a firm believer that the likes of Osgood, Joseph, Vernon, & Barrasso should get in prior to Luongo.
The notion of Osgood and Vernon getting in before Luongo is quite frankly insane.

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The notion of Osgood and Vernon getting in before Luongo is quite frankly insane.
...Actually, I wonder what's more insane : the notion you described, or the notion of Osgood and Vernon belonging in that sentence with Barrasso and Joseph.

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Osgood and Vernon are both clearly more deserving than Andreychuk in my mind, although I'm sure that's a minority opinion.

This isn't to say that either should be in.

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The notion of Osgood and Vernon getting in before Luongo is quite frankly insane.
I don't really understand this. They could get in while he's still active, or at the very least hasn't been retired long enough. It's not like they are being directly compared (such as for rankings on an all-time list). That's independent of their actual merits of course.

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06-27-2017, 02:37 PM
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The notion of Osgood and Vernon getting in before Luongo is quite frankly insane.
Based on what? Luongo's "vast" array of hardware, or are you only basing it on number of wins? If that's the case, then no argument can be made for the likes of CuJo to not be in the Hall of Fame.

-Luongo is 5th all time in wins, Osgood 12th, and Vernon 14th.
-All three have won the Jennings award (Osgood twice)
-Nobody has a Vezina or a Hart Trophy
-Vernon has a Conn Smythe
-Osgood 3 Cups, Vernon 2, Luongo 0
-Vernon is 7th all time in Playoff Wins with 77, Osgood is 8th with 74, Luongo is 35th with 34.

So yeah, it sounds like it's being based off of number of wins and nothing else.

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The whole Osgood belongs in the Hall of fame thing is never going to die is it? No matter how much evidence is presented to show he was nothing more than a mediocre to marginal goaltender for the majority of his career. More often than not, the weakest link on some fantastic teams.

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Luongo hall of fame?

nooooope

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