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01-21-2013, 10:36 PM
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Glad to see the KHL is holding up its end of the deal and saying that he can't play with an NHL contract in force. Visnovsky really should treat the next month like an audition for other teams. The aforementioned LA Kings could be a possibility.

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01-22-2013, 07:21 AM
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According to the article below, Visnovsky will most likely end up missing about 12 games, could possibly join the team for the Rangers game. His son is scheduled for a minor surgery on 9 February. Supposedly, the Islanders understand the situation.

http://sportky.topky.sk/c/101596/vis...-moje-problemy

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The Isles could show some generosity and allow Višňovský to play in the KHL in the meantime. Highly competitive games are the best way to remain in top shape. You can also get injured in practice, and the Isles hardly expect Višňovský not to practice until mid-February.

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01-22-2013, 07:32 AM
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The Isles could show some generosity and allow Višňovský to play in the KHL in the meantime. Highly competitive games are the best way to remain in top shape. You can also get injured in practice, and the Isles hardly expect Višňovský not to practice until mid-February.
While that would be nice, I understand the Isles' position in this. They do not want to risk injury because they need him healthy.

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The Isles could show some generosity and allow Višňovský to play in the KHL in the meantime. Highly competitive games are the best way to remain in top shape. You can also get injured in practice, and the Isles hardly expect Višňovský not to practice until mid-February.
I do not think they should at all.
There are just other things that make the opticts look bad.
It really just looks like he does not want to play with the islanders.
The guy first tried to get the trade axed. Now he is not reporting. for whatever reason he has weather its legit or not. If he is so concerned about his son he should not be playing at all.

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I do not think they should at all.
There are just other things that make the opticts look bad.
It really just looks like he does not want to play with the islanders.
The guy first tried to get the trade axed. Now he is not reporting. for whatever reason he has weather its legit or not. If he is so concerned about his son he should not be playing at all.
From the article quoted above it seems that the Isles agree that Visnovsky stays home until his son's surgery.

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They do not want to risk injury because they need him healthy.
I'm sure they risk even more by letting him get out of shape, due to playing no competitive games for a month.

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01-22-2013, 08:12 AM
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some might argue, he's yet to play a competitive game since the end of last season.

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01-22-2013, 08:16 AM
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The LA Kings' defenceman Matt Greene is out for the season with a back injury. Hurry, Isles, trade Lubo to the Kings to get your 2nd-round draft pick back. Your Isles seem to be doing well enough without Lubo.
I think Vis needs to get to NY and play hockey before anybody can even think about trading him.

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The Isles could show some generosity and allow Višňovský to play in the KHL in the meantime. Highly competitive games are the best way to remain in top shape. You can also get injured in practice, and the Isles hardly expect Višňovský not to practice until mid-February.
Generosity? By the guy not reporting, he in effect made the isles go out and make waiver wire history to cover for him not showing up. In case you haven't noticed, they guys that the isles picked up are not as talented as Viz.

Moreover, he's getting to be with his family. That's what he wants. Due to his NHL contract, he essentially gets to stay at home. Last I checked, most teams are forgiving of family issues in season. I'm sure if Vis showed up and had to go home for a week in Feb the isles would grant him permission. However, he has exercised every avenue to not report on time. That does not get you generosity or curiousity.

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01-22-2013, 08:42 AM
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some might argue, he's yet to play a competitive game since the end of last season.
Only those who can't tell hockey apart from beach volleyball.

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01-22-2013, 09:17 AM
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The Isles could show some generosity and allow Višňovský to play in the KHL in the meantime. Highly competitive games are the best way to remain in top shape. You can also get injured in practice, and the Isles hardly expect Višňovský not to practice until mid-February.
They should send Tavares there to help Slovan's push through the KHL playoffs. What a great way to get playoff experience too!
win-win

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01-22-2013, 09:43 AM
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The Isles could show some generosity and allow Višňovský to play in the KHL in the meantime. Highly competitive games are the best way to remain in top shape. You can also get injured in practice, and the Isles hardly expect Višňovský not to practice until mid-February.
I can't understand why the Islanders should show Viz any sign of generosity. This guy has made us look stupid three times and on two different counts: 1) by indirectly trashing us to the media and perpetuating the stigma that 'players don't want to play on the island' and 2) by not showing up and honoring his contract causing us to have to scramble to grab AHL fodder in order to ice a team on opening night. So far in 8 months, he's been a baby, a pretty bad businessman, and a terrible teammate.

Based on the way he's treated NYI management, players, and fans, the reciprocal thing to do would be to not allow him to play anywhere for as long as possible. I'm not saying I want that or it's the right thing to do, but it is the reciprocal thing to do. Why should we tip the scales of generosity for this punk?

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01-22-2013, 09:52 AM
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Well it seems that a settlement is in place and Vis wil be an Islander after all.
He has a "reason" for the delay but it is somewahat weak if "minor surgery" since he was playing away games for Slovan and tried everything to avoid his contract requirements up until being forced to sit out. My inclination is to trade him for as much value as we can get.

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They should send Tavares there to help Slovan's push through the KHL playoffs. What a great way to get playoff experience too!
win-win
I'm sure this Slovan fan would find a way to argue for that also. The Isles are wronging Tavares by surrounding him with such mediocre talent after he showed loyalty and committed to them long-term. Therefore, for the best of the Isles, he should play for a real team like Slovan.

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I'm sure this Slovan fan would find a way to argue for that also. The Isles are wronging Tavares by surrounding him with such mediocre talent after he showed loyalty and committed to them long-term. Therefore, for the best of the Isles, he should play for a real team like Slovan.
Slovan has just acquired Marek Svatoš who has scored 100 goals in the NHL, but I sure would have preferred Tavares. Another road win for Slovan today in Kazakhstan, by the way.

Next up, a 4-game homestand for Slovan, the last in this KHL season. I see no reason why the Isles, if reasonable, should not permit Višňovský to play in these 4 home games! The last of those 4 games is on Sunday, February 3rd, many days before Višňovský son's surgery.

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Slovan has just acquired Marek Svatoš who has scored 100 goals in the NHL, but I sure would have preferred Tavares. Another road win for Slovan today in Kazakhstan, by the way.

Next up, a 4-game homestand for Slovan, the last in this KHL season. I see no reason why the Isles, if reasonable, should not permit Višňovský to play in these 4 home games! The last of those 4 games is on Sunday, February 3rd, many days before Višňovský son's surgery.
What if he gets hurt? That would be the dumbest business move ever.

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Slovan has just acquired Marek Svatoš who has scored 100 goals in the NHL, but I sure would have preferred Tavares. Another road win for Slovan today in Kazakhstan, by the way.

Next up, a 4-game homestand for Slovan, the last in this KHL season. I see no reason why the Isles, if reasonable, should not permit Višňovský to play in these 4 home games! The last of those 4 games is on Sunday, February 3rd, many days before Višňovský son's surgery.
Send Visnovsky back, you can have......mmmmm......Jason Arnott! UFA.

Robbie Schremp has 26 pts in 17 games in Austria, it's just a short bus ride to Siberia according to Google Maps. Maybe start there.

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What if he gets hurt? That would be the dumbest business move ever.
Many players get hurt when practicing. You don't want him to stop practicing, too, do you?

Jágr said this, when disobeying the Dallas Stars' prohibition to play his final game for Kladno before returning overseas. Jágr played in that final game anyway, saying: "Playing a game is the best practice." Then, he got 4 points in his first game as a Dallas Star. Wouldn't it be better for the Isles to get Višňovský back in top game-shape?

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Who's to say if the Isles were to actually let him play that the KHL wouldn't turn around and say some bs like the Isles waived their rights to let him play and we will allow him to play for the remainder of the season and playoffs. I don't trust the KHL at all and have absolutely no reason to, Lubo is ISLANDERS PROPERTY no one elses he is under contract with them making millions of dollalrs, it makes absolutely no sense to allow him to play for another team risking injury while hes pouting at home trying to think of a new scam to get out of coming back.

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Robbie Schremp has 26 pts in 17 games in Austria
In Austria. But he had only 6 points in 21 KHL games this season, which is why Minsk let him go. Slovan is currently ranked higher than Minsk in the KHL standings, so... By the way, Minsk also sent Evander Kane packing after only about 10 KHL games.

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Many players get hurt when practicing. You don't want him to stop practicing, too, do you?

Jágr said this, when disobeying the Dallas Stars' prohibition to play his final game for Kladno before returning overseas. Jágr played in that final game anyway, saying: "Playing a game is the best practice." Then, he got 4 points in his first game as a Dallas Star. Wouldn't it be better for the Isles to get Višňovský back in top game-shape?
Not after this guy has tried to avoid being on our team multiple times. We don't care about his past contract issues with the NHL and we certainly do not care about the Slovan team. Your agenda is clear here and you can repeat it over and over again, but you are not selling a single Isles fan on the fact that it would be "the right thing to do" to let this guy play another game for Slovan. We gave this guy enough of a break to let him stay through his son's minor surgery as it is. Let him play also?

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Many players get hurt when practicing. You don't want him to stop practicing, too, do you?

Jágr said this, when disobeying the Dallas Stars' prohibition to play his final game for Kladno before returning overseas. Jágr played in that final game anyway, saying: "Playing a game is the best practice." Then, he got 4 points in his first game as a Dallas Star. Wouldn't it be better for the Isles to get Višňovský back in top game-shape?
Look, just because you clearly want Visnovsky to play for Slovan, doesn't mean that the Islanders and their fans should throw common sense and statistical logic out the window.

My son has a chance of getting hit by a car while on the sidewalk. That doesn't mean I let him play in the street.

You can drive your car with your feet if you want to. That doesn't make it a good idea.

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Many players get hurt when practicing. You don't want him to stop practicing, too, do you?

Jágr said this, when disobeying the Dallas Stars' prohibition to play his final game for Kladno before returning overseas. Jágr played in that final game anyway, saying: "Playing a game is the best practice." Then, he got 4 points in his first game as a Dallas Star. Wouldn't it be better for the Isles to get Višňovský back in top game-shape?
Lubo has lost all credibility and respect based on the way HE HAS ACTED. He's in NO POSITION to ask for favours. The RIGHT WAY to do this was to report to the NYI FIRST and/or talk to Snow privately, or through his agent, about any exceptions or special treatment he might want/need based on his unique circumstances.

Of course, playing for the KHL would never happen, regardless, not while NHL games are going on, that's absurd. But staying in the KHL, working out with the team, without all the public drama would have been avoided. Datsyuk and Kovy were given permission to miss camp and play in the all-star game, for example. Just a different and smarter way of doing things.

Anyway, this thread was done 10 pages ago, but it's a non-gameday, so whatever. Go Slovan!

Speaking of Jagr, I can't believe how effortless he makes the game look. He's ageless.

Maybe the Isles should get Palffy after all.

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Come again? All of that matters, and greatly. It explains why Višňovský isn't on Long Island yet. To say "none of that matters", is both selfish and ignorant. Why would you refuse to accept reality?
Look's like Slovan is nailing a play of spot without Vis. That should ease it up a bit for him?


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