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01-16-2013, 12:57 PM
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Methot - Kalrsson
Phllips - Visnovsky
Boro - Gonchar
Weircosch - Lundin

Looks like a pretty scary and deep D
Who is Ottawa's back-up goaltender then? It will not be Robin Lehner.

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Gragnani can't play defense.

Seriously. Think MAB but worse at defense.
Could he seriously be any worse than Gilroy on that 3rd pairing with Philips?

Methot- Karlsson
Wiercioch- Gonchar
Philips- Gragnani
Lilja as the 7th dman

Send Boro down, Murray even said it today that he needs another year in Bingo, Benoit from my viewings at the camp looks too small and weak against NHLers, especially in the boards.

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Who is Ottawa's back-up goaltender then? It will not be Robin Lehner.
I think it will be Robyn Lehner, or Craig Anderson is Lehner is the starter

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Hasn't Murray been saying he is in the market for a veteran D and is looking to trade for one? Kinda blows your theory up
Where has Bryan Murray said that in his hunt for a veteran defenseman he is willing to move one of the more NHL-ready young assets the team has? I don't disagree that he could move a pick or a lesser player for a defenseman. I just don't think it will be Bishop.

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I think it will be Robyn Lehner, or Craig Anderson is Lehner is the starter
Robin Lehner is either the starting goaltender for the Ottawa Senators or the starting goaltender for the Binghamton Senators this season. The organization is not going to let their best young goaltender sit on the bench while he watches Anderson play, and Anderson is not going to be a 3mil+ backup if he can play. If Craig Anderson can carry the starting job still this season then Lehner is still at least a year away.

Moving Bishop for a top four defenseman is not a bad idea. Moving him for a short-term stop gap top four defenseman is extremely short sighted and I would be disappointed if the organization made a move like that.

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Robin Lehner is either the starting goaltender for the Ottawa Senators or the starting goaltender for the Binghamton Senators this season. The organization is not going to let their best young goaltender sit on the bench while he watches Anderson play, and Anderson is not going to be a 3mil+ backup if he can play. If Craig Anderson can carry the starting job still this season then Lehner is still at least a year away.

Moving Bishop for a top four defenseman is not a bad idea. Moving him for a short-term stop gap top four defenseman is extremely short sighted and I would be disappointed if the organization made a move like that.
Agree..
Patience on this one.

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With Subban still "miles" apart with the Habs, what will their plan be? I remember Melnyk really liking himn at the WJs here in Ottawa.

If he could be had, what would it take. They'd need a D back and Karlsson and Cowen are off limits, as is Lehner. Would a package around Zibanejad, Bishop, Wiercioch and Pageau get any attention. If Gonchar would go I'd include him over Wiercioch (mentor Galchenyuk) as they prefer. Maybe add our 1st in place of someone.

Division rivals I know, but they are rebuilding and three of these guys will play in the NHL next year.

Subban here would answer a few issues I think.

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With Subban still "miles" apart with the Habs, what will their plan be? I remember Melnyk really liking himn at the WJs here in Ottawa.

If he could be had, what would it take. They'd need a D back and Karlsson and Cowen are off limits, as is Lehner. Would a package around Zibanejad, Bishop, Wiercioch and Pageau get any attention. If Gonchar would go I'd include him over Wiercioch (mentor Galchenyuk) as they prefer. Maybe add our 1st in place of someone.

Division rivals I know, but they are rebuilding and three of these guys will play in the NHL next year.

Subban here would answer a few issues I think.
Bergevin said hes not trading Subban.

How would Gonchar mentor Galchenyuk any differently than the players on the Habs?

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Robin Lehner is either the starting goaltender for the Ottawa Senators or the starting goaltender for the Binghamton Senators this season. The organization is not going to let their best young goaltender sit on the bench while he watches Anderson play, and Anderson is not going to be a 3mil+ backup if he can play. If Craig Anderson can carry the starting job still this season then Lehner is still at least a year away.

Moving Bishop for a top four defenseman is not a bad idea. Moving him for a short-term stop gap top four defenseman is extremely short sighted and I would be disappointed if the organization made a move like that.
This is about winning and if Lehner and Anderson are the tandem that give you the best chance to win, that's who Maclean will go with and he'll pick the hot hand on any given night, if that means 24 games each, or 30/ Anderson 18/Lehner - if that is what it takes, that's what we will do.

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With Subban still "miles" apart with the Habs, what will their plan be? I remember Melnyk really liking himn at the WJs here in Ottawa.

If he could be had, what would it take. They'd need a D back and Karlsson and Cowen are off limits, as is Lehner. Would a package around Zibanejad, Bishop, Wiercioch and Pageau get any attention. If Gonchar would go I'd include him over Wiercioch (mentor Galchenyuk) as they prefer. Maybe add our 1st in place of someone.

Division rivals I know, but they are rebuilding and three of these guys will play in the NHL next year.

Subban here would answer a few issues I think.
Why does Galchenyuk needs to be mentored, if you don't mind me asking.

Gonchar is a defenceman, Galchenyuk is a forward.
Gonchar is Russian, Galchenyuk is an American.

Galchenyuk was born in North American, and has lived here since he was 15.

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He's probably thinking back to the whole Gonchar mentoring Malkin thing.

That's a completely different situation though as Malkin didn't speak english and was Russian. Gally is American and speaks perfect english lol.

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Yeah, that's where I was going. The American thing aside, I'm sure there are ties to motherland in there somewhere. If not strike the sentence, but if it would make the deal happen, include him.

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This is about winning and if Lehner and Anderson are the tandem that give you the best chance to win, that's who Maclean will go with and he'll pick the hot hand on any given night, if that means 24 games each, or 30/ Anderson 18/Lehner - if that is what it takes, that's what we will do.
If you have heard any the front office staff speak over the past week you would understand that while this might be about "winning" it is also about winning in the big picture. That is why they are going with Wiercioch, Borowiecki, and Benoit to start the year instead of making wacky trades for random players. The organization cares about success, but they have a realistic expectation about how that success will come.

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Yeah, that's where I was going. The American thing aside, I'm sure there are ties to motherland in there somewhere. If not strike the sentence, but if it would make the deal happen, include him.
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you could trade for subban or you could offer sheet him.

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He would have to accept the offer sheet.

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you could trade for subban or you could offer sheet him.
What would an offer sheet look like - he's wanting 4-5M over a 5 year deal its reported.

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If you have heard any the front office staff speak over the past week you would understand that while this might be about "winning" it is also about winning in the big picture. That is why they are going with Wiercioch, Borowiecki, and Benoit to start the year instead of making wacky trades for random players. The organization cares about success, but they have a realistic expectation about how that success will come.
So if they are going with 3 AHL Dman for 2 spots why wouldn't Lehner be the 1B goalie in this situation? If you are looking big picture, wouldn't this be the perfect opportunity to break Lehner in like they are doing for Boro and Weircoche?

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So if they are going with 3 AHL Dman for 2 spots why wouldn't Lehner be the 1B goalie in this situation? If you are looking big picture, wouldn't this be the perfect opportunity to break Lehner in like they are doing for Boro and Weircoche?
Lehner needs to play as many games as possible at this stage of his career. His current situation is different from the defensemen. Go back and look at the past two seasons for Robin and you will notice he has not played a ton of hockey. That is why I said he will be a starting goaltender either in Ottawa or Binghamton and not a backup. Forcing him into a backup role only serves to hurt Lehner's overall development.

If you think a General Manager is going to let his coach hinder the development of a player they have invested a ton of time and money into just to win in a shortened season, then I don't have much else to say.

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Ottawa needs more shutdown guys that can also throw their body around.

NJ has depth on D

-Maybe bring Volchenkov back
-Tallinder?

Or try to get Douglas Murray from SJ

All should only take a mix of prospects/bottom six guys (which we have a ton of)

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nobody's gonna give us a top-4 D for bishop. not a chance. right now around the league i think he's seen as a quality backup with maybe the potential to be more. we can't overrate his value. defencemen are at a premium, and you don't give up a top-4 for essentially a backup goalie.

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With Subban still "miles" apart with the Habs, what will their plan be? I remember Melnyk really liking himn at the WJs here in Ottawa.

If he could be had, what would it take. They'd need a D back and Karlsson and Cowen are off limits, as is Lehner. Would a package around Zibanejad, Bishop, Wiercioch and Pageau get any attention. If Gonchar would go I'd include him over Wiercioch (mentor Galchenyuk) as they prefer. Maybe add our 1st in place of someone.

Division rivals I know, but they are rebuilding and three of these guys will play in the NHL next year.

Subban here would answer a few issues I think.
Interesting... Depends on how high they are about Zibanejad... but Bishop + Pageau would make a lot of sense to them and have some kind of value

Not sure I'd give up 4 assets to overpay Subban though... The guys seems to want ridiculous money

Zibanejad + Wiercioch + Pageau + Bishop are guys that could hurt us down the road. I'd rather trade with another team out of the division

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Would rather not offer sheet for Subban. His play didn't improve last year (some would say it actually declined), and there's no telling whether or not he will be improving to what is expected of him. He's a nice player, but he's not the type that we need to over-reach for.

I'm content to wait and see what the team we already have put together can do. I don't know why people automatically assume we are weak on D. Benoit, Wierchioch and Boro have all shown promise and Lundin will be back soon. Karlsson - Methot - Gonchar - Phillips is a pretty high caliber top 4 to be honest, and we have a bit of depth on the back-end (even Ceci is available in a pinch).

There's really no need to make any hasty moves until we know what we have. Signing a depth defenceman is all we really need right now.

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