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01-14-2013, 08:55 PM
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Do you really think a Bell owned station like TSN really have something against the Leafs??
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01-14-2013, 08:56 PM
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What I found hilarious:
Nash at 24? Too high
Eberle at 25. Way too high
Suter at 26. Way too high
Letang shouldnt be on the list
Seguin at 31. How does he break top 50?
James Neal at 36. Should not be on top 50.
Kessel at 47. Should be much higher.
No Elias?
Only 3 goalies?

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01-14-2013, 08:57 PM
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Problem? That a point per game player playing with Tyler Bozak as his centerman is ranked 47th.
other then Neal and Malkin Kessel was the only other player who had a ppg player on his line last year, how much better of a linemate does he need? very rarely do 3 elite players all play together.

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B-b-b-but Kessel scores goals! He gets points! Isn't that all there is to hockey?!?1one!1?
So the fact the he finished 6th in NHL scoring should be overlooked??????////////slash/

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Yes mike richards and his 44 points is much better than kessel. ****in morons. Kessel is in the 15-30 range.

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01-14-2013, 08:58 PM
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Burrows and Kesler aren't PPG players though :/ Had they had 37 goals and 82 points, and TSN put them 47th - an argument could be made.
This isn't a list of the top scorers in the league, is it? There's more to hockey than just points.

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01-14-2013, 08:59 PM
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This is a joke, Niklas Backstrom ahead of PHIL KESSEL LIKE ARE YOU KIDDING ME? Aside from 1-9 the rest is a joke.

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What I found hilarious:
Nash at 24? Too high
Eberle at 25. Way too high
Suter at 26. Way too high
Letang shouldnt be on the list
Seguin at 31. How does he break top 50?
James Neal at 36. Should not be on top 50.
Kessel at 47. Should be much higher.
No Elias?
Only 3 goalies?
this list is about the future and not now, thats why a guy like Kesler was left off. Duthie said so mid-show. it's about what these guys will be during this upcoming season. not about what they've done in the past.

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Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 48 and no rookie of the year award?

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01-14-2013, 09:01 PM
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This isn't a list of the top scorers in the league, is it? There's more to hockey than just points.
So what, I guess Chris Neil should've been on the list because he hits a lot. Or how about some of the better shot blockers in the league?

Please, this was a list mostly based on offensive talent.

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this list is about the future and not now, thats why a guy like Kesler was left off. Duthie said so mid-show. it's about what these guys will be during this upcoming season. not about what they've done in the past.
I missed most of the show and didn't catch any of their reasoning and/or criteria so thanks for this. Did they add anything else that would be helpful to the discussion you could share? I could add it to the OP.

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Laughable list to be honest. Not only because of Kessel, but I honestly do think he should be ~20-30.

Seguin ahead of the likes of Patrick Kane? Even his teammate Bergeron.

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Imo I doubt anyone thinks Brown is a more valuable player than Kessel.

But I'm 100% okay with Kessel not being in the top 30

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This is a joke, Niklas Backstrom ahead of PHIL KESSEL LIKE ARE YOU KIDDING ME? Aside from 1-9 the rest is a joke.
Nonis would trade Kessel for Backstrom in a second.

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01-14-2013, 09:11 PM
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TSN has unveiled the NHL's Top 50 players heading into the 2012-13 hockey season based on selections by a panel of experts,

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I missed most of the show and didn't catch any of their reasoning and/or criteria so thanks for this. Did they add anything else that would be helpful to the discussion you could share? I could add it to the OP.
it was basically what I said based on what they thought they would look like in the upcoming season. Duthie used Kesler as an example that because he's going to miss a month or more that that was a big reason he was left off the list. and why guys like Hall, RNH, Seguin are where they are because they are expected to take the next step this season. also Landeskog was named 51st on there list.

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B-b-b-but Kessel scores goals! He gets points! Isn't that all there is to hockey?!?1one!1?
Cleary heart and soul fighters like Orr is all a team really needs!

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TSN has unveiled the NHL's Top 50 players heading into the 2012-13 hockey season based on selections by a panel of experts,

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Nonis would trade Kessel for Backstrom in a second.
You don't know that.

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Imo I doubt anyone thinks Brown is a more valuable player than Kessel.

But I'm 100% okay with Kessel not being in the top 30
same. Kessel is in the 30-40 range which is still good.

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TSN has unveiled the NHL's Top 50 players heading into the 2012-13 hockey season based on selections by a panel of experts,
That doesn't mean anything, since the "panel of experts" still need to have reasoning for their decision-making. That reasoning would then be no different than what forum posters would use, namely, statistics, watching players play, etc. So being an expert doesn't mean anything in this case.

So unless by the bold you are hinting at the subjectivity of the experts, then there is no way to justify this ranking. You'd have to think Canada's apparent best when it comes to hockey would create a better list even if it were subjective, though.

A lot of people are saying the top 9 or 10 is fine, but even that is not fine.

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You don't know that.
With Bozak as the current 1C?

In a second.

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That doesn't mean anything, since the "panel of experts" still need to have reasoning for their decision-making. That reasoning would then be no different than what forum posters would use, namely, statistics, watching players play, etc. So being an expert doesn't mean anything in this case.

So unless by the bold you are hinting at the subjectivity of the experts, then there is no way to justify this ranking. You'd have to think Canada's apparent best when it comes to hockey would create a better list even if it were subjective, though.

A lot of people are saying the top 9 or 10 is fine, but even that is not fine.
I watched the show and they did explain their rankings as they counted backwards from 50 to 1 player by player..

This top 50 is actually a consolidated list of TSN hockey panelists combined opinions average out for final ranking placement. So not just a single opinion but multiple TSN hockey (mostly former NHLers) Mike Johnson, Aaron Ward, etc. combined.

While combined Kessel was #47 overall, Mike Johnson claimed he deserved to be higher as he had him ranked #35 on his personal list and explained why, but he that was the highest anyone on the panelist hand him.


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With Bozak as the current 1C?

In a second.
Trade your best offensive player to get Backstrom.... and who does Backstrom play with?

No way does that trade get done. If we got Backstrom (which isn't going to happen because Washington is likely not trading him), the goal would be to surround him with your best players.

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this list is about the future and not now, thats why a guy like Kesler was left off. Duthie said so mid-show. it's about what these guys will be during this upcoming season. not about what they've done in the past.
In that case, Tavares should be top 10. Landeskog should argueably be on that list. Selanne should be too. As should Eriksson.

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