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01-15-2013, 04:18 PM
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Lots of talk about Bozak - what about McClement from Toronto? We need a 3rd line guy to replace Malhotra more likely than not...
Has anyone ever traded a ufa they signed in the summer before the first game of the season?

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01-15-2013, 04:22 PM
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both lineups look pretty good to me. In fact, I think the Leafs are definitely a playoff team with that lineup, whereas the Canucks badly need to get both Kesler and Booth back.
If you can convince the Leafs nation Gardiner+Kadri for Luongo is worth doing, I will file the paper work to have you canonized as Saint Canuck.

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AV: Booth had an MRI done yesterday. He will be out approximately 4-6 weeks.

Does this impact a potential Luongo trade? A more pressing need for forwards all of a sudden?

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I wonder how much this injury to Booth is going to play into the Luongo deal. Booth is out for 4-6 weeks..

If it ends up being 6 weeks that could mean missing 20 games of 48... Canucks top 6 is going to take a hit missing Kelser and Booth for that length of time in a shortened schedule...

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01-15-2013, 04:24 PM
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AV: Booth had an MRI done yesterday. He will be out approximately 4-6 weeks.

Does this impact a potential Luongo trade? A more pressing need for forwards all of a sudden?
Probably a more pressing need for quality forwards, but we already had a need there. Unless Kessel, Lupul, JVR or Grabovski are being discussed as coming back from Toronto there isn't really much help Toronto could offer us up front.

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I wonder how much this injury to Booth is going to play into the Luongo deal. Booth is out for 4-6 weeks..

If it ends up being 6 weeks that could mean missing 20 games of 48... Canucks top 6 is going to take a hit missing Kelser and Booth for that length of time in a shortened schedule...
If anything (unless a legitimate top 6er is being offered) it probably puts more pressure on Gillis to KEEP Luongo, and AV to coach a more defensive style.

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the canucks should sign Arnott. i see a good fit

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AV: Booth had an MRI done yesterday. He will be out approximately 4-6 weeks.

Does this impact a potential Luongo trade? A more pressing need for forwards all of a sudden?
It won't force our hand, if that's what you're getting at.

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It ain't pretty, but for 4-6 weeks, it's usable.

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AV: Booth had an MRI done yesterday. He will be out approximately 4-6 weeks.

Does this impact a potential Luongo trade? A more pressing need for forwards all of a sudden?
A six week injury in this shortened season is a killer and would be a three-four month injury in a regular 82 game season.
Mike Gillis has added pressure on him now to get a good Luongo deal done.

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If anything (unless a legitimate top 6er is being offered) it probably puts more pressure on Gillis to KEEP Luongo, and AV to coach a more defensive style.
I know as an Oiler's fan I am more looking forward to playing a top six without those two than with... Having to only shut down the Sedins is a lot easier than worrying about Kesler-Booth coming at you right after..

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Probably a more pressing need for quality forwards, but we already had a need there. Unless Kessel, Lupul, JVR or Grabovski are being discussed as coming back from Toronto there isn't really much help Toronto could offer us up front.
This x 10.

Personally I have no interest in trading Luongo to Toronto unless one of those players are the centrepiece. And I want Luongo in Toronto(if only to see him play live more often)

Otherwise guys like Hemsky, Fleischmann, etc might make sense to target from other teams.

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It won't force our hand, if that's what you're getting at.

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It ain't pretty, but for 4-6 weeks, it's usable.
Dude 4-6 weeks is 25-45 percent of this season.

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It won't force our hand, if that's what you're getting at
Boy are you Canucks fans defensive. I was merely asking. As a Leaf fan I have very little interest in Luongo I'm just following the thread out of boredom and curiousity.

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A six week injury in this shortened season is a killer and would be a three-four month injury in a regular 82 game season.
Mike Gillis has added pressure on him now to get a good Luongo deal done.
Thank you, this is more along the lines of why I was asking.

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Dude 4-6 weeks is 25-45 percent of the season.
As long as he's healthy for the playoffs along with Kesler. We have a good enough team to get us into the playoffs right now.

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Probably a more pressing need for quality forwards, but we already had a need there. Unless Kessel, Lupul, JVR or Grabovski are being discussed as coming back from Toronto there isn't really much help Toronto could offer us up front.
Bingo. We didn't lose Raymond, Higgins and Hansen to injury, but our only legit top sixers on our second line. We still don't need tweeners. Our tweeners will fill in for that time too, if anything.

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As long as he's healthy for the playoffs along with Kesler. We have a good enough team to get us into the playoffs right now.
I'm not even sure anymore. One first line and three 4th lines usually won't get you in.

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Boy are you Canucks fans defensive. I was merely asking. As a Leaf fan I have very little interest in Luongo I'm just following the thread out of boredom and curiousity.

Thank you, this is more along the lines of why I was asking.
In asnwer to your question, I think it makes the acquisition of a forward to play in the top 6 more of a priority than it was.

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I'm not even sure anymore. One first line and three 4th lines usually won't get you in.
We have great goaltending and one of the best defences in the league. AV knows how to play with limited offensive assets. It won't be pretty though.

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It won't force our hand, if that's what you're getting at.

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It ain't pretty, but for 4-6 weeks, it's usable.
4-6 weeks is almost half the season... its kind of a big deal if a team falls behind early, there may not be time to catch up in the back half

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In asnwer to your question, I think it makes the acquisition of a forward to play in the top 6 more of a priority than it was.
Thank you as well, my question had nothing to do with Toronto whatsoever, I was more curious how that news affected your lineup and your needs, which I am not too familiar with.

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I'm not even sure anymore. One first line and three 4th lines usually won't get you in.
A good example of this on a smaller scale was OKC during the lockout. Had Eberl-Hall-RNH-Shultz all dominating the league in points but the rest of the team sucked resulting in OKC not winning as much as everyone thought they would...They have been in and out of the playoff picture all year.

You need depth to be successful..otherwise every team will play their shutdown guys against the top line and light up the rest of your line up.

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Dude 4-6 weeks is 25-45 percent of this season.
It is. Far from being a write off, this shortened season can go either very well or very poorly for us. With Kesler, Booth and possibly Edler being in recovery mode or on the IR, I'm likely to think that latter.

At the same time, yes, we could deal Luongo for a temporary fix at those positions, but as you said, it's 4-6 weeks. Moving Luongo for an early rental in this situation is bad ju-ju. Spending an asset like Luongo to try to save a season with a massive handicap on it right now isn't smart spending.

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Boy are you Canucks fans defensive. I was merely asking. As a Leaf fan I have very little interest in Luongo I'm just following the thread out of boredom and curiousity.

Thank you, this is more along the lines of why I was asking.
I didn't mean for it to be defensive. Merely commenting on a comment. Granted a lot of what I say sounds pretty acidic, but that was more...calm. For now.

I understand the line of logic you're using, and I was pointing out that we can survive without making a trade. It sucks, but that doesn't mean that we're more open to middle of the pack wingers, when we still have them a plenty. If we're getting a top six forward back...well that's the main piece I'd want either way.

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Kadri-Schroeder-Kassian
Raymond-Lapierre-Malhotra
Weise

Hamhuis-Bieksa
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JVR-Grabovski-Kulemin
MacArthur-Connolly-Frattin
Lombardi-McClement-Brown

Gunnarsson-Phaneuf
Liles-Franson
Holzer-Komisarek

Luongo
Reimer

both lineups look pretty good to me. In fact, I think the Leafs are definitely a playoff team with that lineup, whereas the Canucks badly need to get both Kesler and Booth back.
The part you're not talking about is that the price to get Luongo for the Leafs was their "young player with high end potential" count went from a pitiful 3 down to an atrocious 1.

I have no problem trading Gardiner to fill another hole but for another young player, not a 34 year old as good as he is. At this point it makes no sense for Toronto unless the Leafs are dead set on repeating the mistakes made around the time of the first lockout.

In addition, this fills no short term holes for Vancouver barring a breakout from Kadri.

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4-6 weeks is almost half the season... its kind of a big deal if a team falls behind early, there may not be time to catch up in the back half
As I said in my previous post, which at the time I am typing this out, you probably haven't had a chance to read yet, moving a star player to fill holes for 4-6 weeks isn't smart spending. If the top six piece we get back is usable either way, I'm all for it, but so far...not many proposal have anywhere close to what I'd want. So any trade for a top six player is a bandaid solution, for a season that we're already playing on "hard" mode anyway.

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