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04-13-2013, 01:50 PM
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Why do we use Pavs at PP point when we have plenty of offensive dmen?

Marleau-Thornton-Burns
Boyle-Braun

Havlat-Pavs-Couture
Demers-Irwin

Doesn't this make too much sense for the PP units (or something similar)? What am I missing here? Burns has been so effective at forward, might as well put him on the first unit for PP. And with Boyle, Braun, Demers, and Irwin, Pavs can center a decent second unit rather than Gomez. Help me understand why we put Pavs on the point on the first PP unit instead of centering the second unit.

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Boyle and Demers are the only dmen that can run a power play. I'd rather Braun and Irwin weren't even on it.

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Because they want as many goal scorers as possible on the first PP. I'd rather spread the wealth personally. 2nd PP is a joke.

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I rather the defense pairings be Boyle-Irwin and Demers-Burns on the PP. I'd like to see what Wingels can do on the PP2.

Marleau - Thornton - Couture
Boyle - Irwin

Wingels - Pavelski - Havlat
Demers - Burns

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Because they want as many goal scorers as possible on the first PP. I'd rather spread the wealth personally. 2nd PP is a joke.
You are the voice of reason KM!

As to having as many goal scorers as possible on the first PP, the first PP unit as presently assembled looks like a unit to use on 5 on 3.

But again, you still have the Brent Burns issue. He can score/finish. How he's off the first unit doesn't make sense (but neither does a Boyle-Burns PP pairing, because, again, it's loading up the first unit too much).

So most of us are in agreement that that our PP units are not being maximized to get the most of production out of both units, right?

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Irwin and Braun are terrible on the PP.

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I rather the defense pairings be Boyle-Irwin and Demers-Burns on the PP. I'd like to see what Wingels can do on the PP2.

Marleau - Thornton - Couture
Boyle - Irwin

Wingels - Pavelski - Havlat
Demers - Burns
I'd put Torres in Wingels spot. Just tell him to play bad goalie.

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As to having as many goal scorers as possible on the first PP, the first PP unit as presently assembled looks like a unit to use on 5 on 3.
Actually, our 5 on 3 unit pisses me off. How do you not have Brent Burns on it with his booming shot?

Couture-Thornton-Pavelski
Burns-Boyle

Shooting galore. Sorry Patty. Learn to shoot.

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Braun is capable IMO.

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Frequently, Marleau is at the point. He, Boyle, and Pavelski all rotate at the point. Couture and Thornton are capable too. That's what (usually) makes the 1st PP unit so dangerous.

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Frequently, Marleau is at the point. He, Boyle, and Pavelski all rotate at the point. Couture and Thornton are capable too. That's what (usually) makes the 1st PP unit so dangerous.
Yup. All capable shooters and passers.

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Braun is capable IMO.
no he is not....

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braun, demers, vlasic are all terribad on the power play because they all panic when pressured. irwin is a bit better, but still prone to making stupid choices on the power play when given the chance.

but braun, demers, vlasic either shoot at the wrong time (into opposing players), or they fire the puck around the boards to be picked up by the other team and fired down the ice for a clearing attempt.

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braun, demers, vlasic are all terribad on the power play because they all panic when pressured. irwin is a bit better, but still prone to making stupid choices on the power play when given the chance.

but braun, demers, vlasic either shoot at the wrong time (into opposing players), or they fire the puck around the boards to be picked up by the other team and fired down the ice for a clearing attempt.
Yep, it's really quite amazing how often they are able to accomplish these feats

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Which is an odd regression, considering Braun made the team by his ability to get shots through, under every circumstance.

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Which is an odd regression, considering Braun made the team by his ability to get shots through, under every circumstance.
His confidence has been shot since his horrible showing at the W.C. for team USA.

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They tried Pavs in front of the net last year and it didn't work for ****, he's a lot better on the point and half boards.

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Which is an odd regression, considering Braun made the team by his ability to get shots through, under every circumstance.
I have noticed his game has gone night and day in the rong direction in terms of getting his shot through to the net. He was uncanny when he first came up, and I do not know if it is adjustments by other teams or confidence, but he has lost it.

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Which is an odd regression, considering Braun made the team by his ability to get shots through, under every circumstance.
Yep. Though to be fair, it seems like all the "young" defensemen have regressed after getting rid of Murray (Demers to the least extent, but still regressed). Irwin made the team by his decent breakout and his lethal shot, but now the majority of his breakouts are handcuffs and his wristers (not even slappers anymore) miss the net.
Braun really hasn't been great this whole season. Don't get me wrong, all 3 are still far better than Murray, but their performances have been disappointing.

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Put him on the 3rd line and 2nd PP? Do you want him to leave?

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Marleau-Thornton-Burns
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Doesn't this make too much sense for the PP units (or something similar)? What am I missing here? Burns has been so effective at forward, might as well put him on the first unit for PP. And with Boyle, Braun, Demers, and Irwin, Pavs can center a decent second unit rather than Gomez. Help me understand why we put Pavs on the point on the first PP unit instead of centering the second unit.

Thanks.
What has Braun done to earn power play time? Seriously. At least Gomez is a competent puck-handler and creates some scoring opportunities. Braun hasn't done anything impressive this season to reward him with power play time. The 1st unit is going to get the lion's share of power play time and it's always going to be somewhere in the 3/4ths of power play time going to the first unit regardless of the setup. That's why you overload it with your best players. And really, the only reason why the 2nd unit looks like garbage most of the time is because it doesn't see much time together in general nor do they get a hell of a lot of practice time this season.

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Regardless of who can run a PP or not, Pavs has a better shot (even from the point) than anyone else back there except possibly Boyle and/or Burns.

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