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01-15-2013, 06:51 PM
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Reimer is more proven than Bernier. Bernier has higher potential but as of right now Reimer is the better keeper

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01-15-2013, 06:54 PM
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I dont think his cost will be that much. Goalies, in particular non-proven goalies, dont typically have big price tags.
I look to our own recent history to know that's not true.

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Tampa Bay Lightning traded Sebastien Caron, two 2012 second-round draft picks and a 2013 third-round draft pick to the Nashville Predators for Anders Lindback, Kyle Wilson and a 2012 seventh-round draft pick.

Bernier could cost a similar amount. Would people be willing to pay that?

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01-15-2013, 06:55 PM
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we want to know what the other pieces are

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01-15-2013, 06:56 PM
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It makes to much sense therefore it will not happen. Not often a goalie hits the market who has franchise goalie potential and doesn't have a freakish contract.

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The Leafs need a veteran goalie, either to take over, or to mentor Reimer, plain and simple.
The two young goalies fighting for the job idea was tried and failed dismally.

If they believe Reimer is the guy, then get him a veteran back-up for support.
If they don't think Reimer is the guy, then get a goalie with enough experience that we know he is an upgrade.

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01-15-2013, 06:58 PM
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Bernier is overrated. He'd never be seen so glowingly if he was a Leafs prospect.
To be fair, he could be the next Marty Brodeur and people would still say that he sucks if he were a Leaf.

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01-15-2013, 06:59 PM
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I don't think Bernier solves any goaltending questions for this team. He'd just be another goalie who is all potential. Isn't that the issue currently? Could he be good? Sure. So could Reimer. There's just too many question marks to rest my hat on someone like Bernier and say 'we've solved the goaltending issue'.

And why should he cost more than someone as equally unproven in Anders Lindback? Because he was a 1st round pick in 2006? Maybe I'm not seeing something someone else is. Not saying he doesn't have talent, but I just don't think it's the best fit for the stability this team needs.

Bernier's stats: 48GP - 2.50 GAA, 0.910 sv%

Lindback stats: 38GP - 2.53 GAA, 0.914 sv%

Riemer stats: 71GP - 2.83 GAA, 0.911 sv%

So why are we preparing to give multiple pieces for him again? Sure, acquire him if he's cheap - but if it's too expensive I'd just rather roll with Reimer and Scrivens and hope one runs with it.

The issue with this team is goaltending talent, but it's also experience in net. Someone who can instill confidence in the group infront of him.

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01-15-2013, 06:59 PM
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Tampa Bay Lightning traded Sebastien Caron, two 2012 second-round draft picks and a 2013 third-round draft pick to the Nashville Predators for Anders Lindback, Kyle Wilson and a 2012 seventh-round draft pick.

Bernier could cost a similar amount. Would people be willing to pay that?
I wouldnt give a single pick from this years draft, too deep/too much potential.

how about, Macarthur+Scrivens for Bernier+LA first?

then we can package that first to move up a place or two and grab an all-star.

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01-15-2013, 06:59 PM
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gunnarsson + macarthur for Bernier +?



btw i dont support the idea of getting bernier. IMO i believe in Reimer enough to be able to atleast be a middle of the pack #1.




the problem here and always has been, is defense. our defence is still atrocious, some nice pieces, but nobody who is a defensive stalwart like a hamhuis or so. Our goalies arent the best but i mean alot can be said about the system and terrible defensive efforts making them look even worse.


i'd rather ride out this year with what we have now. 48 games, not too long to be agonizing if its really bad.


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01-15-2013, 07:00 PM
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dwight king would be nice
and matt greene

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Bern whats to be a #1 somewhere. He could have a shot at that here in Toronto. If leafs brass think he has more potential than Scrivens or Reimer, then go for it.

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01-15-2013, 07:01 PM
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I don't think Bernier solves any goaltending questions for this team. He'd just be another goalie who is all potential. Isn't that the issue currently? Could he be good? Sure. So could Reimer. There's just too many question marks to rest my hat on someone like Bernier and say 'we've solved the goaltending issue'.

And why should he cost more than someone as equally unproven in Anders Lindback? Because he was a 1st round pick in 2006? Maybe I'm not seeing something someone else is. Not saying he doesn't have talent, but I just don't think it's the best fit for the stability this team needs.

Bernier's stats: 48GP - 2.50 GAA, 0.910 sv%

Lindback stats: 38GP - 2.53 GAA, 0.914 sv%

Riemer stats: 71GP - 2.83 GAA, 0.911 sv%

So why are we preparing to give multiple pieces for him again? Sure, acquire him if he's cheap - but if it's too expensive I'd just rather roll with Reimer and Scrivens and hope one runs with it.

The issue with this team is goaltending talent, but it's also experience in net. Someone who can instill confidence in the group infront of him.
In fairness Bernier showed huge promise in the AHL. He's also been relatively steady in the NHL, but hasn't been given the chance that Reimer has.

Reimer's stats are misleading, one crazy hot start for a month, followed by average play, then a terrible year last year.

I do agree don't get me wrong, Bernier is just as unproven, but I'd put more stock into Bernier becoming a successful starter than Reimer just from what I've seen.

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01-15-2013, 07:01 PM
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By the sounds of it Reimer's glove hand is questionable again at camp, and we an expect other teams to target a subpar NHL flaw in his game. I still think Bernier has more upside than Reimer. One guy got beat out by the best goalie in the world, the other couldn't take the net from a guy we didn't even bother to resign.

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01-15-2013, 07:02 PM
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Tampa Bay Lightning traded Sebastien Caron, two 2012 second-round draft picks and a 2013 third-round draft pick to the Nashville Predators for Anders Lindback, Kyle Wilson and a 2012 seventh-round draft pick.

Bernier could cost a similar amount. Would people be willing to pay that?
2x 2nd
1x 3rd

imo is more than we should pay. Unless it's 2014 picks.

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01-15-2013, 07:03 PM
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I also like this talk because it calls Vancouver's bluff.

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01-15-2013, 07:04 PM
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I wouldnt give a single pick from this years draft, too deep/too much potential.

how about, Macarthur+Scrivens for Bernier+LA first?

then we can package that first to move up a place or two and grab an all-star.
The first in there would be too much I think.

Besides, LA doesn't have their first anymore.

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01-15-2013, 07:06 PM
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In fairness Bernier showed huge promise in the AHL. He's also been relatively steady in the NHL, but hasn't been given the chance that Reimer has.

Reimer's stats are misleading, one crazy hot start for a month, followed by average play, then a terrible year last year.

I do agree don't get me wrong, Bernier is just as unproven, but I'd put more stock into Bernier becoming a successful starter than Reimer just from what I've seen.
I'm not saying he doesn't have more potential than Reimer. But is it worth giving up an arm and a leg to find out? Not for this fan. I'd much rather gamble on the two we have. We've gambled in the past too often just to see those players flop here.

Again, it comes down to price. But judging by some of the names thrown around in this thread..I'm not willing to pay the price.

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01-15-2013, 07:09 PM
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Not willing to throw a guy like Mac at them???

Mac is redundant here, and you have to give to get...

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01-15-2013, 07:09 PM
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Bottom line as well, if Leafs are sniffing around for another young goalie, it shows ZERO confidence in Reimer. I honestly think this camp is opening their eyes and we're scared slow hand will get lit up.

We have a couple kids who are ready, so if we can ship off some depth why not?


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scrivens is almost worthless, i would compare his value to being just a throw in. Even though his play suggests he's better.


Kulemin might be someone LA would want

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I'm not saying he doesn't have more potential than Reimer. But is it worth giving up an arm and a leg to find out? Not for this fan. I'd much rather gamble on the two we have. We've gambled in the past too often just to see those players flop here.

Again, it comes down to price. But judging by some of the names thrown around in this thread..I'm not willing to pay the price.
If it's someone like Mac though, it could be good for us. We have a log-jam in our bottom 6. Could open up space for a guy like Kadri or Komorov to get a better look and fill Mac's role instead of having one of them go to waste

edit: plus, LA has some nice pieces. Toffoli?

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I also like this talk because it calls Vancouver's bluff.
Could be what is happening...I anticipate this kind of crap being thrown around until the Leafs do actually trade for a goaltender...or one of our current netminders proves they are ready to be an NHL starter.

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01-15-2013, 07:12 PM
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I like Bernier - guy has a great pedigree and has won everywhere he's been.

You don't give up too much for him -

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I look to our own recent history to know that's not true.
Decades of goalie trades say otherwise.

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