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03-08-2005, 02:16 PM
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Joe Thornton to Atlanta proposal

I thought the chemistry between Thornton and Heatley during the world cup was amazing and would love to see Thornton in ATL. I know it wont happen, but just for fun.

TO ATLANTA: THORNTON
TO BOSTON: NURMINEN, STEFAN, COBURN, 1ST, AND 3RD.

MacEachern-Thornton-Heatley
Kovalchuk-Savard-Kozlov

Amazing top 2 lines!

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Thornton isn't going to Atlanta unless Kovalchuk or Heatley is going the other way.

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I don't see why Boston would even consider trding Thornton unless they got a dominant marquee player in return. (Heatly, Kovalchuk, etc)

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I thought the chemistry between Thornton and Heatley during the world cup was amazing and would love to see Thornton in ATL.

TO ATLANTA: THORNTON
TO BOSTON: NURMINEN, STEFAN, COBURN, 1ST, AND 3RD.

MacEachern-Thornton-Heatley
Kovalchuk-Savard-Kozlov

Amazing top 2 lines!


Boston doesn't need any goalies ... Toivonen & Raycroft
Stefan is crap ... Coburn hasn't upgraded his play since his draft year ... to get Thornton, Atlanta is going to have to give up 1 of Heatley or Kovalchuk

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Stefan is crap ...
strike one
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Coburn hasn't upgraded his play since his draft year ...
strike two

almost... read up on coburn before babbling

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03-08-2005, 02:45 PM
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if atl wants thornton, they'd probably might as well just give up: Coburn, Valabik, and atleast 2 more firsts... maybe more, JT is a franchise player, he might struggle a lot, but when he's on his game, you aint stoppin him at all

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if atl wants thornton, they'd probably might as well just give up: Coburn, Valabik, and atleast 2 more firsts... maybe more, JT is a franchise player, he might struggle a lot, but when he's on his game, you aint stoppin him at all
Why would Boston trade Joe Thornton for that package of Coburn, Valabik and two 1sts?

If they trade a _franchise_ player, they better be getting a _franchise_ player back.

i.e.: Heatley and/or Kovalchuk.

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Why would Boston trade Joe Thornton for that package of Coburn, Valabik and two 1sts?

If they trade a _franchise_ player, they better be getting a _franchise_ player back.

i.e.: Heatley and/or Kovalchuk.
i highly doubt though 2 teams like that are gonna trade franchise players, it'd be kinda pointless

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umm...no thanks...

While there is a cumulative value...it's akin to getting change for say a $50 dollar bill.


Bruins have plenty of change.

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... Atlanta is going to have to give up 1 of Heatley or Kovalchuk
And if that is the case, given that Heatley and Kovalchuk makes much less money and are much more cap friendly, boston would have to throw in something very special to get a deal done. Thornton for one of Heatley or Kovalchuk just doesn't make sense from an Atlanta perspective given what the new CBA will likely look like.

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And if that is the case, given that Heatley and Kovalchuk makes much less money and are much more cap friendly, boston would have to throw in something very special to get a deal done. Thornton for one of Heatley or Kovalchuk just doesn't make sense from an Atlanta perspective given what the new CBA will likely look like.
How about Thornton for Koivu? Would you do that one, PJ?

P.S. I agree with you completely. Cap-friendly studs like Heatley and Kovalchuk will have HUGE trade value.

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How about Thornton for Koivu? Would you do that one, PJ?

P.S. I agree with you completely. Cap-friendly studs like Heatley and Kovalchuk will have HUGE trade value.
How cap friendly is Kovalchuk? He's going to want a much bigger contract when he comes back.

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Actually, i think a Heatley for Thornton could work well for both teams. Boston gets a franchise player back, who makes less money(always a plus for Boston). Atlanta just switches franchise players in positions, getting a center back instead of having 2 left wings.

Heatley's legal problems/injuries would be offset with Thornton's contract IMO.

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How cap friendly is Kovalchuk? He's going to want a much bigger contract when he comes back.
The fact he isn't under contract gives Atlanta flexibility in fitting him within a cap structure. Adding a big salary like Thornton's takes away any such flexibility.

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i highly doubt though 2 teams like that are gonna trade franchise players, it'd be kinda pointless
I agree. If Thornton gets traded, whether because he becomes too expensive (like Allison) or he simply demands it (grumblings from last year), it probably won't be for another franchise type player, unless that player is still a prospect (like the Shanahan for Pronger deal).

Many people have an aversion to these packages for superstar deals because the sum of the parts just don't seem to add up to the whole. But some of these deals end up working out very well for the team that deals the superstar. Blake and Tkachuk, for instance, brought very good returns for the Kings and Coyotes. Yashin as well made the Senators a cheaper, younger and better team.

Of course, there's always deals like the Jagr one, but Patrick was obviously over a barrel. The Bruins would have much better bargaining power, and they tend to make good hockey trades. If the offer was right, I would be tempted to recoup some of the lost youth from last year's Gonchar trade, especially as the team has been stripped of many of its veterans and probably won't be a top contender when hockey resumes.

As for the original proposal, Nurminen is near worthless to the Bruins, and Stefan is probably more valuable to Atlanta than anyone else. I just don't see Atlanta having the assets to make it worth it, at least not without compromising their own development.

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Id Do This!

To Colorado: Thornton
To Boston: Gratton, Tanguay And 1st.

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Id Do This!

To Colorado: Thornton
To Boston: Gratton, Tanguay And 1st.
even worse

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Id Do This!

To Colorado: Thornton
To Boston: Gratton, Tanguay And 1st.
Boston wouldn't

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Id Do This!

To Colorado: Thornton
To Boston: Gratton, Tanguay And 1st.
Nope

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I thought the chemistry between Thornton and Heatley during the world cup was amazing and would love to see Thornton in ATL.
What chemistry? As to the best of my knowledge Thornton and Heatley didnt play together at the World Cup.

I thought the lines were:

Lemieux-Sakic-Iginla
Gagne-Richards-St.Louis
Smyth-Lecavalier-Heatley
Draper-Thornton -Doan

In fact I don't think they played together at all. Thornton and Doan were paired throughout the tourney as the designated checking line.

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03-09-2005, 02:08 PM
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What chemistry? As to the best of my knowledge Thornton and Heatley didnt play together at the World Cup.

I thought the lines were:

Lemieux-Sakic-Iginla
Gagne-Richards-St.Louis
Smyth-Lecavalier-Heatley
Draper-Thornton -Doan

In fact I don't think they played together at all. Thornton and Doan were paired throughout the tourney as the designated checking line.
They played together in practice at the begining of camp and they were really good with marleau, i forget why they were broken up.

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They played together in practice at the begining of camp and they were really good with marleau, i forget why they were broken up.
Then you can't really say they have amazing chemistry.

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Then you can't really say they have amazing chemistry.
You're right, if there had been amazing chemistry between them then they would've stayed on a line together longer. They only played one game together.

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atlanta would not give coburn valabik and two 1st for thornton. They need to build on their defense and they already have 2 superstars in front, plus some very good veterans like Kozlov and McCeachern. Personnaly I would take Thornton, of course, but from a Thrasher's perspective, I don't see it.

Like people said, I don't see Thornton leaving Boston. Thornton is young, he's a franchise player and one of the few remaining stars on the team. They'll rebuild around him, that's sure.

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Id Do This!

To Colorado: Thornton
To Boston: Gratton, Tanguay And 1st.
Man I just keep losing morerespect for you with every post I read from you.

1st "95% of ppl have sex on valentine's day"

then "thornton to ATL for change"

then "thornton and heatley had good chemistry at the WC" although they were on different lines.

now this.

*sigh*

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