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Subban and Habs are far apart in agreement(contract)

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01-17-2013, 12:01 AM
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If PK is such a proven #1 D-man then why did his team finish so badly? With one less win the the lowly Oilers?

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Because there is more than one player on a team.

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01-17-2013, 12:02 AM
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He isn't that proven, his one timer was a mess last year and he is more of a good #2 than a legit #1. He wasn't bad but like the results show he didn't exactly carry the team.

I think he is massively over-rated, good top pairing dman but he isn't some god.
Even if you didn't watch every single montreal game which is reasonable if you are a fan of another team, you still say he is a #2 at the age of 23 years old. Having a hard time finding the overrated part of a 23 year old already in a huge role.

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01-17-2013, 12:11 AM
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Per Renaud Lavoie, the Canadiens and PK's agent Don Meehan did not talk today.

Sounds like there's a pretty wide gap. My guess is that soonish (Maybe Friday), they'll reach an agreement on a 1-year deal to cover this season and start the negotiations all over this summer.

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01-17-2013, 12:23 AM
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Even if you didn't watch every single montreal game which is reasonable if you are a fan of another team, you still say he is a #2 at the age of 23 years old. Having a hard time finding the overrated part of a 23 year old already in a huge role.
Ya a good #2 but he isn't worth 6million a year or something ridiculous and he isn't good enough to be beyond question as to his skill. He is still unproven and he should not be making demands of Bergevin.

That's where the hype and over-rating comes in.

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01-17-2013, 12:33 AM
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Ya a good #2 but he isn't worth 6million a year or something ridiculous and he isn't good enough to be beyond question as to his skill. He is still unproven and he should not be making demands of Bergevin.

That's where the hype and over-rating comes in.
I think the issue is how you are talking about him at this time(not you personally, whoever is making a statement). If they are talking about him now:

Subban: 23 y/o, 1# def, 24.5 min/game, great skating, good shot, athletic.

If you are talking about Subban 6 years from now and automatically assuming he will make the HHOF without playing, I agree.

Still however, even those claims that are pushing it like HHOF talk may be justified when all is said and done. He has had a great start to his career and could end up there. Now all we have to do is wait until he actually plays more seasons before saying he will get there for sure

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01-17-2013, 12:41 AM
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I could see him going for Tyler Myers money.

7 years at 5.5 m per year

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01-17-2013, 12:51 AM
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I think the issue is how you are talking about him at this time(not you personally, whoever is making a statement). If they are talking about him now:

Subban: 23 y/o, 1# def, 24.5 min/game, great skating, good shot, athletic.

If you are talking about Subban 6 years from now and automatically assuming he will make the HHOF without playing, I agree.

Still however, even those claims that are pushing it like HHOF talk may be justified when all is said and done. He has had a great start to his career and could end up there. Now all we have to do is wait until he actually plays more seasons before saying he will get there for sure
That is the reason he isn't signed I think, they want a short 2 year contract to continue to evaluate him. Sign him to a 6 year deal and you are stuck no matter the outcome.

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01-17-2013, 12:59 AM
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That is the reason he isn't signed I think, they want a short 2 year contract to continue to evaluate him. Sign him to a 6 year deal and you are stuck no matter the outcome.
Montreal's management is pretty smart when it comes to rookies. They have signed all of the past few rookies (Price, Patchs, etc) to 2 year deals after their ELC's

What this does is gives them control after the 2nd contract is up as well (RFA). I believe what you said is true as well. They are doing it to:

1) Have a longer period of evaluating players before long term deals
2) Get an extra RFA year which can help with keeping the 3rd and most likely long term contract cheaper.

By doing it to every player, they have set the precedent that all will be treated equally. The consistency will help them in future situations as well. I expect Subban to sign a 2-year deal worth, when all is said and done slightly more then he might be worth (I am talking 500k-1m) to make up for the term he didn't want and taxes in MTL.

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01-17-2013, 01:12 AM
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How would Habs fans feel about the rumour circulating around the draft:


Oilers 1st OA (Yakupov) + Gagner
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PK Subban + 3rd OA (Galchenyuk)

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01-17-2013, 01:18 AM
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Hah, I wouldn't trade one of Eberle, Hall, RNH or Yak for Subban.
I thought generally speaking, Oiler fans would be willing to part with one of their elite young forwards for Subs?

I know as a Flyer fan, we would have to part with Couts and that would be painful but you have to give up quality to get quality...

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Agreed on paper. The problem is that it downgrades Montreal's semi-abysmal defense to clearly abysmal. It is harder to find elite defensemen than elite forwards...just ask Philadelphia and the Oilers themselves.

Unless Bergevin has a master (and miraculous) plan to be able to pick Seth Jones, I see Subban as an untouchable, and this up until the time that Nathan Beaulieu develops at the NHL level.
Well you guys should have a real solid shot at another top 3 pick this year...imagine getting Jones....yikes....as a Flyer fan, this would not make me happy...

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01-17-2013, 01:21 AM
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NYR trade Stu Bickel + 3rd for Subban. Glen Sather instantly garners more adoration in New York than Chesley Sullenberger but is tragically taken from us in while at a Canadiens game in what the Montreal Police deemed, "A freak accident. That is all. This case is closed and we should never speak of it again. Go Habs Go."

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How would Habs fans feel about the rumour circulating around the draft:


Oilers 1st OA (Yakupov) + Gagner
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PK Subban + 3rd OA (Galchenyuk)
Habs get screwed

I think something closer to this makes more sense:

Yakupov + Schultz (possibly add a pick)
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Subban + Galchenyuk

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01-17-2013, 01:29 AM
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Flyers should offer sheet like they did for Weber (obviously not that kind of money, but 5.5-6 over a long term.
And...? Montreal would match it. So what?

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We'll see the difference in quality of management between the Rangers and Habs on this deal. Subban is marginally better than Del Zotto if at all and I think Subban will get a lot of dough..

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We'll see the difference in quality of management between the Rangers and Habs on this deal. Subban is marginally better than Del Zotto if at all and I think Subban will get a lot of dough..
Taxes in Quebec play a huge factor in Montreal.

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We'll see the difference in quality of management between the Rangers and Habs on this deal. Subban is marginally better than Del Zotto if at all and I think Subban will get a lot of dough..
Subban is better than Del Zotto and more upside as well. imo.

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How would Habs fans feel about the rumour circulating around the draft:


Oilers 1st OA (Yakupov) + Gagner
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PK Subban + 3rd OA (Galchenyuk)
Galchenyuk's value more or less equals Yakupov's

Subban's value greatly exceeds Gagner's

Habs get hosed

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We'll see the difference in quality of management between the Rangers and Habs on this deal. Subban is marginally better than Del Zotto if at all and I think Subban will get a lot of dough..
I hate the Habs as much as any proper Leafs fan should, but I'd take Subban 10 times out of 10 over MDZ.

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PK needs the extra money to cover his brother's therapy bills after the WJCs.

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01-17-2013, 06:32 AM
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We'll see the difference in quality of management between the Rangers and Habs on this deal. Subban is marginally better than Del Zotto if at all and I think Subban will get a lot of dough..
Marginally? They're not even in the same category. Del Zotto is not a 1st pairing DMan. The same guy who was sent to the AHL to work on his game?

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Subban has done nothing but score some cool one timers.
yeah, they are pretty cool. stamkos' one timers are also pretty cool

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He is good, but not that good. Hence the reason your GM won't give him the money he wants.
yes, im sure that's the only reason he doesn't have a contract yet. i guess the same goes for the others that haven't signed yet. benn, ror and such... also, lombardi must have thought doughty sucked. actually, **** it, everybody that doesn't sign right sucks and doesn't deserve their contract!

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He may have a good shot, but kills the team with dumb penalties.
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He is a D MAN, not a winger.
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Always gets caught and back checking.
well having watched every game last year, no he doesn't 'always get caught' and yes, were all very happy he back checks.

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Isn't it ironic that the fans that watch him the most think he should be signed for decent coin and long term but you know better.
No but I agree with poster mikeo1, PK is good but north of 3.5, it's mostly based on potential and lack of other good Ds for the Habs. They are stuck.

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And...? Montreal would match it. So what?
Or we would get 4 1rst round pick

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