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Subban and Habs are far apart in agreement(contract)
Ah ah really? Based on what? Until he has achieved something in the NHL, that statement remains bogus. Not many defensemen have accomplished what PK did in his first two seasons. Not saying he's a generational talent at all but he's pretty good. Many have him as a top 20-30 dman in the league already and he's still learning. In two-three seasons, you could at a top 10 dman in the league.
The only 'top 20 Dman' qualities about him right now are the number of minor penalties he takes and his salary demands.
He doesnt crack top 20 in any individual stat.
To think guys like J.Schultz, Yakupov and Galchenyuk wont 'acheive something in NHL' is a bogus statement..
As for the OP .. Both sides need to stop wasting time and get Subban to the camp..
pick a middle number and get this done.. Subban's group wanted 7M I assume (Doughty number) , MTL probably wanted to get him done for 4.5M.
just meet at 5.75M and call it a day .. The way MTL fans feel about him he deserves close to what Hall and Eberle just got.. (6M)
I can't see Subban getting that high on a 2nd contract. Maybe 5mil at the most, if a year or two of his UFA status is purchaced. I can't believe he could even begin to compare to Doughty yet, or Eberle
Where do these Doughty comparisons come from? Doughty had already been a Norris finalist and won a gold medal with Team Canada's mens team when he was negotiating. No way Subbans group is looking for anything close to 7 mill. I'd be very surprised if he signed for more than 5.0 per year.
Where do these Doughty comparisons come from? Doughty had already been a Norris finalist and won a gold medal with Team Canada's mens team when he was negotiating. No way Subbans group is looking for anything close to 7 mill. I'd be very surprised if he signed for more than 5.0 per year.
So this long holdout is because subban's camp is asking for 5 million a year?? Highly doubt that. If that we're the case he would have signed already
Where do these Doughty comparisons come from? Doughty had already been a Norris finalist and won a gold medal with Team Canada's mens team when he was negotiating. No way Subbans group is looking for anything close to 7 mill. I'd be very surprised if he signed for more than 5.0 per year.
Meehan said Subban's comparables were Seguin, Hall, Eberle and Skinner. Not sure where he got that but it sounds like he's looking for something like 6 years at 6
To think guys like Pat Falloon won't 'achieve som---... Wait, nevermind. Prospects are 100% fail proof.
If you had to go back to 1991 to find an example you have answered your own question... it's not 100% but 99 or so. Next you will bring up Daigle though because that will incite a reaction and thats what you want... no one should bother replying to your posts.
If you had to go back to 1991 to find an example you have answered your own question... it's not 100% but 99 or so. Next you will bring up Daigle though because that will incite a reaction and thats what you want... no one should bother replying to your posts.
If PK is such a proven #1 D-man then why did his team finish so badly? With one less win the the lowly Oilers?
Honest Q
You can't really put that on him. He was still a plus last year on a terrible team, playing in all situations, I think people forget that. Markov barley played, and Kabrle was terrible, than had first year guys beyond that. Montreal really only ran with a first line last year, and one quality pair on D (Subban and Georges).
This is a guy who should get something in the 5's but for term. He seems to care about the game/winning etc so don't think there is much risk of him stopping going backwards in terms of development.
This hold out thing is also Meehan's typical thing. Doughty, niedermayer, and a bunch of others have held out under his plan. To me this is no different than what the Owners just did, lock players out until a deal they like is out there even if you upset people/miss games. Meehan is now just holding out until his client gets right deal, even if its upsets people/misses game.
Meehan said Subban's comparables were Seguin, Hall, Eberle and Skinner. Not sure where he got that but it sounds like he's looking for something like 6 years at 6
Ya so he is asking for 5.75/6...not 7/7...and obviously Bergevin thinks that's too much.
when schutlz plays 25 a night in all situations and scores 40 points and has over 100 hits and 100 blocked shots come speak to me. I just dont get the hype. Yes he put up points in the ahl, but look at who he was playing with.
That's why I said likely. The upside IMO is higher. But we'll see
You have a point... 3rd overalls are a bad bet... Barker, Svitov, Berg and Gratton weren't very good... you should trade Galchenyuk before he busts and loses all value.
If PK is such a proven #1 D-man then why did his team finish so badly? With one less win the the lowly Oilers?
Honest Q
If RNH is so good, why did his team finish so low? If Stamkos is so good why did his team finish so low? If Tavares is so good, why did his team finish so low?
If RNH is so good, why did his team finish so low? If Stamkos is so good why did his team finish so low? If Tavares is so good, why did his team finish so low?
If RNH is so good, why did his team finish so low? If Stamkos is so good why did his team finish so low? If Tavares is so good, why did his team finish so low?
Probably because one person can't carry a team.
Actually, RNH and Hall carried the team until they were injured.
You're right though, that hockey is a team game. It's just when someone says "Proven #1 Defenseman" I expect them to at least carry the team slightly. You know, above 3rd last. Maybe 9th or something.
I mean, they made the playoffs the year before. What happened? Injuries? Oilers were poised for a playoff spot before our injuries too. Does that mean I can claim RNH as a proven #1 center too?
Actually, RNH and Hall carried the team until they were injured.
You're right though, that hockey is a team game. It's just when someone says "Proven #1 Defenseman" I expect them to at least carry the team slightly. You know, above 3rd last. Maybe 9th or something.
I mean, they made the playoffs the year before. What happened? Injuries? Oilers were poised for a playoff spot before our injuries too. Does that mean I can claim RNH as a proven #1 center too?
would you consider Iginla to be an elite winger? because last i checked, he can't carry his team into the playoffs all by himself.
If RNH is so good, why did his team finish so low? If Stamkos is so good why did his team finish so low? If Tavares is so good, why did his team finish so low?
Probably because one person can't carry a team.
Please, Subban didn't carry the team we still had two 30+ goal scorers and Price finished the season with a .916 S% so who was he carrying?
He played well last year but he didn't do anything incredible, he was pretty average if not worse than he was the previous season.
